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Re: Vit C effects on blood glucose levels? Why no lipo read
Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:58 am
by Johnwen
Re: Vit C effects on blood glucose levels? Why no lipo read
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:56 am
by Johnwen
Re: Vit C effects on blood glucose levels? Why no lipo read
Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:13 pm
by ofonorow
Thanks for this johnwen. Very educational and we will move this to the liposomal section soon.
Emek's process is proprietary so I wouldn't expect him to comment and I of course do not know what the process is. I do know it does not utilize heat, and that they can encapsulate various substances other than vitamin C! And I do know that his liposomal vitamin C product (using Quali-C) has had remarkable and consistently positive results.
Re: Vit C effects on blood glucose levels? Why no lipo read
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:27 am
by ofonorow
question johnwen, given your knowledge, if the problem is passing substances through two membranes (the outer cellular and inner nucleus membrane) what is the solution?
Re: Vit C effects on blood glucose levels? Why no lipo read
Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:07 pm
by Johnwen
Re: Vit C effects on blood glucose levels? Why no lipo read
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:58 am
by ofonorow
My question is generally, there are at least two membranes for the nutrient or drug to pass through from the blood to reach the nucleus, and one idea is to first make very small nano-spheres containing the nutrient to reach the nucleus, then creating larger nano-spheres encapsulating that smaller nano-spheres. The idea is that the outer layer might be shed on the way through the first membrane - leaving the smaller nano-spheres to merge with the inner membrane.
Coincidentally, the 4th Phase of Water book (could be titled the New Science of Water) may have something to say about all this. Fascinating read.
Re: Vit C effects on blood glucose levels? Why no lipo read
Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:15 am
by Johnwen
Re: Vit C effects on blood glucose levels? Why no lipo read
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:26 am
by ofonorow
Thank you - on my reading list.
Learning ( from the 4th Phase of Water book by Pollack) that almost all water inside cells is likely ordered (EZ) water with a net negative charge. (I haven't finished but the author promises to explain osmosis using this new view or model of water.)
The same might be true of water inside liposomes. (But where do the positive charges then go - which normally reside just outside the EZ?)
It may turn out that the passage of a liposome through the cellular membrane can be targeted/managed, perhaps with electrical charges, on the order of osmosis.
Re: Vit C effects on blood glucose levels? Why no lipo read
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 10:13 am
by Johnwen
Since your looking at water based intake into the cells that would narrow it down to Pinocytosis, Which is one of the two common (Note: I said common which means there's other ways!!) intakes of liposome's into cells the other being endocytosis and other's. Here's the Wiki on Pinocytosis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinocytosis
Re: Vit C effects on blood glucose levels? Why no lipo read
Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:18 pm
by ofonorow
Returning to the earlier PDFs - thank you - which lead to using liposomes for gene therapy, Ouila! We learn that while "viral vectors" are more efficient (altering the viral DNA so that the modified virus produces the desired DNA, they can (and are) using liposomes for gene therapy; they can bind their payloads to the DNA. They say it is less efficient but doesn't elicit an immune response like the viral-vector gene therapy.
So if you can alter or add a gene that is replicated when the cell replicates - with certain classes of liposomes - they by definition have reached the nucleus.
Makes one ponder fixing the GLUT defect by adding a working GLUT gene via liposomal gene therapy 
Re: Vit C effects on blood glucose levels? Why no lipo read
Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:03 am
by Johnwen
Re: Vit C effects on blood glucose levels? Why no lipo read
Posted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:48 pm
by ofonorow
Again thanks for the links! (I'm not sure how successful they will be with their new anti-vitamin propaganda campaign, but I have noticed that in the past, after every episode (or during) our vitamin sales increased! The publicity gives us a serious bump!
Here is the youtube from the UK Changing Futures team that discusses both viral and liposomal "vectoring" gene therapy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5FTvB27lE8
A serious goal is immortality - as outlined in the Telemore Timebomb thread (which would definitely be up against the clandestine groups in place who fear world population).
Re: Vit C effects on blood glucose levels? Why no lipo read
Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 4:40 pm
by Johnwen