I've stopped taking the Zocor several times but always chicken out and start taking it again. As an engineer I know intellectually that the Pauling method seems more plausible and fits the facts better than the conventional wisdom but like Jon over in another topic --- it is hard to make the leap. I sure don't want to go through another by-pass or even a stent if I can avoid it.
I like the C, lysine and proline approach! Keep us informed.
I don't like either the aspirin or plavix - ask your doctor about the 2 or more recent trials that were stopped because of higher death rates in the plavix group. Let us know what he says, and why he still prescribes it.
How do you feel taking it and not taking it? (Most people feel worse taking it.)
In my opinion, which contrary to the trumped up science that pushes the statin drugs on doctors, you will end up much better without this poison, er, drug. If you worry about cholesterol (you shouldn't, your body produces more to deal with the underlying disease) Vitamin C will do the same thing, without side effects.
pigeonguy wrote:I was experiencing no difference whether taking the 20mg or not. I started taking 40 mg (yeah, I know I'm a chickensh*t ) and yesterday (3 days on dosage) afternoon I started getting pains in my chest muscles and later in evening my biceps felt like they were on fire. So it may just be coincidence or delayed rebuilding from weight training the day before at rehab ... but as an engineer I usually don't believe in coincidences.
Although I really don't know how long it takes for titration levels of statins to change in the system so I admit it could be coincidence.
So didn't take 40 mg dose last night and feel good today. I guess the only way to tell if it really was Zocor would be to initiate intake again after a few days and see if the cycle repeats.
After reading everything about what the research really says --- and telling my WD (witch doctor) that --- he comes back with, "yeah, but it has anti-inflammatory features that help protect caps already in place." Didn't have a rejoinder for that at the ready. I think the fish oil helps with that though, no?
The rejoinder is that the number one "anti inflamatory" is ascorbic acid ! Vitamin C!!
You could then recommend Dr. Levy's book (STOP AMERICA'S #1 KILLER) and point out that Dr. Levy's theory is that inflammation is the body trying to bring vitamin C to the problem area. (Vitamin C is scarce in most of us humans, but white blood cells have special pumps which keep them well supplied with ascorbate. The inflammatory process attracts white blood cells, etc.).
The message one should get from Stop America's #1 Killer is that it may not be possible to consume enough vitamin C either orally or IV to stop inflammation. Ascorbate tied up fighting inflammation is not available to synthesize collagen, although it can be regenerated with glutathione and lipoic acid. Vitamin C used to make collagen is forever used up in the collagen synthesis process. ( see pages 89-93, HOW TO LIVE LONGER AND FEEL BETTER)
...Also, perhaps upping your intake of choline through diet or supplementation may be of use. ...
Also, betaine may be a valuable tool (see link below). ... Congrats on the weight loss! I know that losing weight can help lower CRP among other healthful effects. So, keep up the good work!
Have Gout which doesn't bother me very often unless I indulge in several nights of rich food --- e.g., duck, lobster, shrimp. That seldom happens
If you have gout - that is a clue that you are not getting enough vitamin C.
Went back through this post, but did not see how much vitamin C you are taking.
My (old) story is that I used to have gout (actually diagnosed prior to 1983) and I believed what medicine told me were the causes. However, after reading Pauling's book - and going on 18 g vitamin C, plus all his other recommendations (including vitamins E, A and the B complex) my gout (and hayfever) completely cleared up - never to return, no matter what I eat.
I don't know if it was the 18,000 mg of C, or the complete protocol, but following Pauling's advice had a profound effect on me.
pigeonguy wrote:I am taking B complex, Folbic but it uses cyanocolabimine (sp?).
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