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Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:29 pm
by Frodo
Thank you, Johnwen for your advices. I'll try it. My weight is about 67 kg and height 184 cm. And at the moment I take 20 gram and more vitamin C, 6 gram Lysin and 1,5 gram Prolin, 1 gram Niacin. Now I've intensified to 10 gram Lysin, 2 gram Prolin and 2 gram Niacin (50% flush free). If I have new results, I'll report to the forum.
Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:41 pm
by Frodo
Yes, Owen, I was not correct. The docs say: "Increased" Lp(a) is genetic and there is nothing you can do.
Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success
Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 2:53 pm
by hvc
I think you get more than enough of the amino acids with 3 scoops -- no matter what your Lp(a) happens to be, but knowing the real Lp(a) measurement would be interesting.
Owen, the number is between 46-50.
Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 11:37 am
by ofonorow
mg/dl?
Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success
Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2017 12:40 pm
by hvc
Yes owen mg/dl
Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:35 am
by Frodo
I've controlled my blood levels once more. And Lp(a) level did decline to 49. From 100 to 86 and now 49 mg/dl. During 3 months PT. It really works. Great!
Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:34 am
by ofonorow
Thank you for the report.
Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success
Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 1:39 pm
by Frodo
Next blood test in July. Until then I'll continue taking vitamin C 10-20 gram, lysine 6-10 gram, proline 1,5-2 gram and niacin 1,5 gram (and the other nutrients).
Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:14 pm
by TommyTurtle
This is very helpful information, thank you to contributors above
Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success
Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:26 pm
by TommyTurtle
Frodo wrote: I think it's really clear. Lp(a) can't be genetic. Native peoples don't know heart attacks. Just as animals. If Lp(a) would be genetic, native peoples should have had it too. And then they should have suffered heart attacks.
I have very high Lp(a), but no family history of heart issues, strokes, MI's. When I was diagnosed I accepted that it was genetic and advised my 3 siblings and my 4 children to have their Lp(a) levels tested. All very low.
So my thinking is that it may be a genetic trait in certain families, but not necessarily so.
Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:17 am
by Frodo
Hello TommyTurtle
I don't think so. I believe, according to Linus Pauling and Matthias Rath it's caused by a lack of vitamins for a long time, first and especially vitamin c. Doctors always say "it's genetic" if they don't know the root cause, for example cancer, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, heart disease and so on.
Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success
Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2017 7:39 am
by TommyTurtle
In my case it's definitely not genetic. My family line from both sides have longevity. Parents, grandparents and previous generations living into their 90's with no cancer, heart issues, etc.
Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:20 am
by Frodo
I've measured my blood values for amino acids. I'm astonished, cause the proline value is only 212 nmol/ml (Reference value 97-330). Although I take 1,5 grams proline daily. On the other hand, lysine is OK (312 nmol/ml - ref. value: 139-240). Therefore I'll increase proline to 2,5 grams each day.
Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:47 am
by Lunes Payling
Everything is in some sense "genetic" because that is how our traits are passed from generation to generation - as opposed to what, being caused by environment or diet? How we react to environment or diet is due to our "genetics." Anyway, this from the Pauling/Rath patent..Essentially all human blood contains lipoprotein(a);
however, there can a thousand-fold range in its plasma concentration between individuals. High levels of Lp(a) are associated with a high incidence of cardiovascular disease. Armstrong, V. W., et al. (1986) Atherosclerosis 62: 249-257; Dahlen, G., et al. (1986) Circulation 74: 758-765; Miles, L. A., et al. (1989) Nature 339: 301-302; Zenker, G., et al. (1986). Stroke 17: 942-945 (The term occlusive cardiovascular disease will be used hereafter as including all pathological states leading to a narrowing and/or occlusion of blood vessels throughout the body, but particularly atherosclerosis, thrombosis and other related pathological states, especially as occurs in the arteries of the heart muscle and the brain.)
http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=5278189.PN.&OS=PN/5278189&RS=PN/5278189
Not many blood factors vary by a "thousand-fold range" so an evolutionary theory is that for the billions of years that our ancestors could make their own vitamin C, the need for Lp(a) was minimal. After the GULO defect and loss of ability to make vitamin C, those with the ability to make Lp(a) had an evolutionary advantage. So the advent of higher Lp(a) is rather new, probably in the last 3 million years or so.
Re: German trying to use PT to lower Lp(a) without success
Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:07 am
by Frodo
Owen, is it right to take 2,5 grams proline or should I take more?