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Just had heart attack and 3 stents

Post Number:#1  Post by johndom1 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:38 pm

Hello All,

My history:

41 year old male
270 pounds, 5' 11'
Non-smoker (lived my parents for 20 years who did smoke)
No family history of heart disease
Cholesterol 270

My situation:

One week ago, I had (what I would describe as) very low stamina, pressure on my chest and pain in my throat. Went to the clinic; had a bad EKG. When to the ER and the next day had 3 stents. Dr said no damage to heart but the LAD was 90% blocked.

Got this drug cocktail:
81 mg aspirin
10 mg effient
40 mg Lipitor
25 mg metoprolol
20 mg benicar/12.5 htc

This has come as a big shock... I didn't suffer from anxiety in the past but after this, my Dr. offered my Xanax for the anxiety that I have.

Before this, I really knew nothing about heart disease or stents or Vitamin C. These questions may be on the forum, if so, please forgive and link.

My questions:

#1 I plan on losing weight. Low-carb, low sodium, low fat. Salads, fish and chicken. For now, is that OK?

#2 Can I use the PT (Vitamin C (50 mg/kg and Lysine) with my drug cocktail (I intend on taking the cocktail to prevent the stents from rejecting, clotting, scar tissue, etc...) and there be no interference?

#3 How do I quantify results? What tests do I have run and at what levels should things be?

#4 I plan on titrating up; starting with pills. I should not have problems with the pills, however, I am concerned that I will not be able to take the drinks because I have a high sensitivity to acid (that is, I get really painful soar throats from citric acid/vinegar). Is there a way around this other than IV?

My thanks:

Thank you for your site. It is currently the one little hope that I have. I would like to note than an ER doc told me to take Co Q10 and Vitamin C. He said he read a study from Vanderbilt that stated 80% of the side effect from statins were relieved from these to supplements (he said that when the door was closed btw). It is, in fact, how I found your site.

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Re: Just had heart attack and 3 stents

Post Number:#2  Post by skwoodwiva » Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:08 am

I am 60 and started PT this year. 12 g of homemade liposomal. I had an attack in mid '14 with 2 plain stents. In late '16 I had cabag.

For now I just want to share that Coreg, a close relative of Metoprolol, caused me great anxiety and hyperventilation. I switched to Zebeta. What a difference...

Regards...

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Re: Just had heart attack and 3 stents

Post Number:#3  Post by ofonorow » Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:09 am

I hope johnwen responds about your drugs. As a general rule, in the beginning, 20 years ago, all heart patients had severe disease and were on a myriad of heart medications, yet all got better - quickly, following Linus Pauling's vitamin C and lysine dosage advise. And know that you spoke to a very good doctor! (Who recommended vitamin C and Coq10 I'd like to find that study, johnwen? ).

If one of those drugs is a statin cholesterol-lowering drug, in my opinion it will do much more harm than good (as we cover here, cholesterol is your friend, your body is trying to make as much as it can to fight the heart disease "fire." A fire that can be put out by adequate vitamin C.)

Otherwise my comments below


johndom1 wrote:Hello All,

My history:

41 year old male
270 pounds, 5' 11'
Non-smoker (lived my parents for 20 years who did smoke)
No family history of heart disease
Cholesterol 270

My situation:

One week ago, I had (what I would describe as) very low stamina, pressure on my chest and pain in my throat. Went to the clinic; had a bad EKG. When to the ER and the next day had 3 stents. Dr said no damage to heart but the LAD was 90% blocked.

Got this drug cocktail:
81 mg aspirin
10 mg effient
40 mg Lipitor
25 mg metoprolol
20 mg benicar/12.5 htc


I think the 40 mg lipitor is a mistake and if it were me, I would wean down to no more than 10 mg, as you increase your vitamin C. Also if on any statin at all, you should be taking at least 200+ mg of a good CoQ10 daily. (Note. You should eat fats with the CoQ10. CoQ10 requires bile to be absorbed. Also note that CoQ10 is carried around the body on LDL (cholesterol) particles!)

Here is the standard warning about statin drugs ELEVATING Lp(a) while LOWERING Coq10 that are required in Canadian (but not U.S.) medical journals. (Scroll down to the yellow highlights)
http://naturesperfectstatin.com/canada.htm

Here is a pharmacists take why the cholesterol theory is probably erroneous and compares it with the Pauling/Rath unified theory of cardiovascular disease
http://www.ourhealthcoop.com/pauling.htm

We haven't looked at this page in years, but, I often get calls from attorneys who find this page after their vegan "health nut" patients, usually women, are put on statin cholesterol-lowering drugs, and because of the CoQ10 depletion have lost a vital organ.
http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/statinalert/
One of the biggest problems with statins, and that has been now known for a decade, again based on the CoQ10 depletion, is the dramatic increase in heart failure.


This has come as a big shock... I didn't suffer from anxiety in the past but after this, my Dr. offered my Xanax for the anxiety that I have.

Before this, I really knew nothing about heart disease or stents or Vitamin C. These questions may be on the forum, if so, please forgive and link.

My questions:

#1 I plan on losing weight. Low-carb, low sodium, low fat. Salads, fish and chicken. For now, is that OK?


Excellent, low-carb. Low sodium will INCREASE your risk of heart attack. (See David Brownstein's book entitled SALT). Instead of highly refined table salt, switch to his recommended unrefined C salt that contains over 80 minerals.

Low fat can help with weight loss in many people but has no effect on heart disease. (with a couple of exceptions) A lack of vitamin C has a direct effect. The exceptions are "trans fats" which can affect cell membranes making them less permeable to vitamin C (so AVOID trans fats) , and certain poly unsaturated fats that go rancid quickly. Have no fear of saturated fats. Easy to provide a large body of evidence to back this up :D


#2 Can I use the PT (Vitamin C (50 mg/kg and Lysine) with my drug cocktail (I intend on taking the cocktail to prevent the stents from rejecting, clotting, scar tissue, etc...) and there be no interference?


We were concerned in the beginning, but as I already mentioned, ALL the people who quickly recovered where on quite a cocktail - no adverse effects adding PT, they only got better. I can provide you with some of our early cases/anecdotes if you want to read about this.

#3 How do I quantify results? What tests do I have run and at what levels should things be?

Well, that 270 total cholesterol will approach 180 mg/dl in most people as your vitamin C increases close to optimal. (You might try to get a measured Lp(a) reading, as that is the major "risk factor" that is meaningful. Obviously it is high now, and will go low.

Finally, most stents re-occlude (restinosis) and johnwen may tell you how long. A good dose of vitamin C, lysine and proline should prevent that. So your stents not reoccluding is an excellent sign Pauling's therapy is working.


#4 I plan on titrating up; starting with pills. I should not have problems with the pills, however, I am concerned that I will not be able to take the drinks because I have a high sensitivity to acid (that is, I get really painful soar throats from citric acid/vinegar). Is there a way around this other than IV?

My thanks:

Thank you for your site. It is currently the one little hope that I have. I would like to note than an ER doc told me to take Co Q10 and Vitamin C. He said he read a study from Vanderbilt that stated 80% of the side effect from statins were relieved from these to supplements (he said that when the door was closed btw). It is, in fact, how I found your site.


Most of our experience is with ascorbic acid (a mild acid like coca cola) powder, but you can add sodium ascorbate to make it more alkaline. It should function the same way. Liposomal is other option (with caveats that if you need 10 grams of vitamin C - then you need 10 grams of liposomal daily) and the IV/C increases blood levels (good for cancers) but after the IV/C, the amount in the blood quickly drops back to normal (low) levels. So IV/C is not recommended for heart disease.

Great doc. Looking for the Vanderbilt study
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Re: Just had heart attack and 3 stents

Post Number:#4  Post by johndom1 » Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:44 pm

Owen, Thank you very much for your responses.

I called the Dr today and left a voicemail requesting the Vanderbilt study. If they respond, I will send you the information.

I have no idea what parameters to monitor and values they should be; will you please give me ballpark ranges?

Lp(a) = ?
cholesterol = ~180 mg/dL
triglycerides = ?
weight = ~200 lbs

My GP told me Mediterranean diet. My cardiologist told me South Beach. South Beach is a low-carb diet but it includes meat. I am scared to death of red meat right now. Yes, I am deeply soaked in doxy and this is all a struggle.

I plan on taking 400 mg of CoQ10; 200 mg in the morning 200 mg in the evening.

How do I test my Vitamin C levels?

Thank you once again,

John

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Post Number:#5  Post by tjohnson_nb » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:07 pm

Don't worry about testing Vit C levels, just take it to bowel tolerance :)
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Post Number:#6  Post by zarfas » Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:37 pm

johndom1 wrote:My GP told me Mediterranean diet. My cardiologist told me South Beach. South Beach is a low-carb diet but it includes meat. I am scared to death of red meat right now. Yes, I am deeply soaked in doxy and this is all a struggle.

Id watchForks over knives on netflix
or watch this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyRuDpqYuvY

low fat, skip the meat
lots of fruit and veggies
as you lose fat, dont forget to lift weights and do some cardio, but mostly weights.. just to keep muscle as you diet

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Re: Just had heart attack and 3 stents

Post Number:#7  Post by Annee » Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:23 am

Thanks ofonorow for the information! Always the great and detail reply :) My uncle has the same situation as johndom1, these replies may what he needs to know :)

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Post Number:#8  Post by exitium » Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:06 pm

johndom1 wrote:My GP told me Mediterranean diet. My cardiologist told me South Beach. South Beach is a low-carb diet but it includes meat. I am scared to death of red meat right now. Yes, I am deeply soaked in doxy and this is all a struggle.


Why are you scared of red meat?

You do realize that ingested cholesterol does not equate to elevated blood cholesterol right?

You also realize that cholesterol is NOt the problem, its a symptom of another problem right?

Cholesterol levels will rise for many reasons, primarily high insulin levels which are caused high high carb diets, especially those with simple carbs. Cholesterol will also rise in response to low hormone levels where iits the base of the hormone thats lacking. It will also elevate to act as an internal bandage for damaged arterial walls where it will stick to the exposed intum of said damaged arteries. As pauling therapy begins to heal the damaged arteries the cholesterol bound to the walls or the arteries will break free and float freely in the bloodstream. This artificial rise is common and temporary.

In short just eat sensibly and avoid prepackaged items, stick to fresh fruits/veggies and meats. I would also recommend a complete supplement plan.

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Re: Just had heart attack and 3 stents

Post Number:#9  Post by johndom1 » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:04 pm

Why are you scared of red meat?


Because I have heard/been told for years "eat cholesterol, get cholesterol blockages." My Dr is still telling me that. I am new to all of this and am trying learn. It is very confusing because there are conflicts between who you ask.

You do realize that ingested cholesterol does not equate to elevated blood cholesterol right?


No, I didn't even know that cholesterol is normal in the blood until recently. That's why I asked.

You also realize that cholesterol is NOt the problem, its a symptom of another problem right?


I do now. I'm not an expert on heart problems. I'm trying to learn to help my self in the future.

Thank you for all you information.

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Post Number:#10  Post by exitium » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:26 am

Unfortunately cholesterol myths are abound and docs for years have by and large been drinking the coolaid and pushing theiir meds to lower cholesterol.

As mentioned eating cholesterol doesnt in and of itself raise cholesterol. Eating simple carbs and sugars will however. Also as mentioned be prepared for a temporary spike in cholesterol numbers after startiing pauling therapy. Its transitory and nothing to worry about, should drop after a few months.

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Post Number:#11  Post by Johnwen » Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:13 pm

Per Owen’s request for info on the drugs!!

Aspirin 81 Mg -Commonly called “Baby Aspirin,” has proven itself to aide in thinning of the blood and preventing clots without the upsetting of the stomach that higher dose Aspirin can cause. My Class “Good!”

Effient 10mg.- (prasugrel) is a anti Platelet medicine which prevents the blood platelets from clumping together and clotting which could lead to a stroke or a pulmonary embolism. Most common side effect is Black and blue marks forming over the body for no good reason. Sometimes even a small bump can look like a major trauma occurred. So be careful when working or exercising!! My Class “Good!”

Lipitor - Statins- YUK! Causes Cholesterol to lower to levels where brain function is impaired and does not protect against further heart problems. There is some studies coming out that are showing that statins actually are causing heart problems. My Class- “Belongs in the garbage can ie JUNK!”

Metoprolol?- Metoprolol Succinate or Tartate? Is a beta blocker which slows the heart rate and weakens the contraction force of the heart muscle. Succinate is a long acting drug 8-12 hrs. and Tartate is short acting 4-6hrs.
My Class- “Ok for short range < 6 months usage but long term usage can cause heart failure!”

Benicar/ Htc- (medoxomil-hydrochlorothiazide) This is a BP Drug that combines a ACE inhibitor and a diuretic. Both which effect the kidneys to lower the BP by reducing the amount fluids in the body. Which simply means they make you Pee a lot more! My Class- “Ok for short range < 6 months

So lets surmise what your doc is trying to accomplish here! He’s trying to keep your blood from clumping so you don’t stroke out! Then he’s doing what is SOP so he won’t get in trouble if something happens to you and that is following the recommendations to lower your cholesterol which probably won’t change any time soon because this is the CASH COW for Big Pharma!! Then he’s trying to keep your Bp down and reduce some of your body mass by getting the fluids out of your system!

Not a Bad routine however since he seems to be sensing some anxiety on your part from this event he’s seems concerned.
However he’ may be over looking the fact that by placing stents within a vessel usually sets up a condition called Vasospasms. This happens when you place a foreign substance inside a blood vessel and the body try’s to get rid of it and the only way it can do this is to rapidly contract and relax the muscle that surround the artery’s. This in turn sends signals to the nervous system of the body and can disrupt other functions which tells the brains something is going on and can’t pinpoint it and the result is anxiety! Even though you consciously know what went on and where told all is fine now! This learned response does not equal what the body is doing inside and you have a conflict again causing, Anxiety! So what to do??

I’ve covered this before there is a drug that was originally designed to treat Vasospasms That being Name Brand “NORVASC!” developed by Pfizer. Which has the chemical name Amlodipine Besylate! However in the development of this drug they found the side effect of lowering blood pressure and when the patent expired it was marketed as a BP med. However the generics don’t have or use the same salts in preparing the drug and don’t offer the same anti-vasospasm effects that the original had and thusly don’t work on this condition. The down fall is that most insurance companies charge outrageous co pay for the name brand because they don’t understand why they should have to pay for something you can get cheaper!
So what to do! If you talk to your doc and he agrees with this you can have a talk with the pharmacist and see if he can get a generic from a company called “Vintage Pharmaceuticals!” which uses the same formulation as Pfizer in producing this drug.

The next issue your should consider is a supplement call Serrapeptase this is what’s called a proteolytic enzyme. What this enzyme does is it dissolves dead tissue. When a stent is placed it does damage to the underlining of the artery. Which is not in direct contact with the blood flow so it heals with scare tissue rather then the covering it up the way damage to the endothiel cells do. This effort by the body to cover it up can result in what is known as hyperplasia. This developing scare tissue can grow to the point where it clogs the artery once again and back for more work you go!
What Serrapeptase does is it dissolves the dead tissue that is there and prevents further growth of the ensuing scar tissue.

I would say start with 40,000 SPU units but note that this supplement also causes anti-platelet medicines (effient) to work better. So it would be advisable to take it at least 12 hours away from your Effient!

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Post Number:#12  Post by johndom1 » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:57 pm

johnwen, thank you so very much. I am so relieved from your very concise explanations of my medicines and treatment. My Dr has not even talked to me that much. I believe he is trying the best he can with what he knows but this site is just from a totally different angle.

Thank you very much to you and Owen.

Guess it time to start titrating up my vitamin C.

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Post Number:#13  Post by guitarplayer007 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:55 pm

exitium wrote:
johndom1 wrote:My GP told me Mediterranean diet. My cardiologist told me South Beach. South Beach is a low-carb diet but it includes meat. I am scared to death of red meat right now. Yes, I am deeply soaked in doxy and this is all a struggle.


Why are you scared of red meat?

You do realize that ingested cholesterol does not equate to elevated blood cholesterol right?

You also realize that cholesterol is NOt the problem, its a symptom of another problem right?

Cholesterol levels will rise for many reasons, primarily high insulin levels which are caused high high carb diets, especially those with simple carbs. Cholesterol will also rise in response to low hormone levels where iits the base of the hormone thats lacking. It will also elevate to act as an internal bandage for damaged arterial walls where it will stick to the exposed intum of said damaged arteries. As pauling therapy begins to heal the damaged arteries the cholesterol bound to the walls or the arteries will break free and float freely in the bloodstream. This artificial rise is common and temporary.

In short just eat sensibly and avoid prepackaged items, stick to fresh fruits/veggies and meats. I would also recommend a complete supplement plan.





Have a question as Dr. Mcdoughall would say , the people of the Asia use to live on primarily White rice and vegetables and had almost no diabetes , the minute they started eating like Americans back in the 1980's they now have some of the highest rates of diabetes . Dr. Neil Barnard and others showed when you got rid of the animal fat the insulin was able to push the sugars into the cell hence the diabetes would go away. Type 2 diabetes is a food born illness where the cell receptors are clogged with fat preventing the insulin from working properly. It was never that there isn't enough insulin. Just a question because the only studies I've seen that actually cured type 2 Diabetes was a Whole foods plant based diet diet. If anyone has studies showing reversal of A1C while eating Meat I would love to see it...thx remember those old movies we used to see from 50-60 years ago of the busy Chinese cities....you never saw a fat person

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Post Number:#14  Post by ofonorow » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:33 am

If you replace "fat" with "trans fatty acids" in the above paragraph, in my opinion, it would be closer to the truth. See: http://www.healingmatters.com/deception.htm
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Post Number:#15  Post by guitarplayer007 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:52 am

OK thx


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