running/cardio increases LPA - (in people not supplementing vitamin C?)

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running/cardio increases LPA - (in people not supplementing vitamin C?)

Post Number:#1  Post by zarfas » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:02 am

Long-term physical exercise and lipoprotein(a) levels in a previously sedentary male and female population.

This study demonstrates that an exercise programme which includes running of increasing distances significantly increases serum lipoprotein(a) concentration.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7785946



this make sense, right?
those people arent taking vit C and using vit C to run\do cardio, so the body has no vit C to use for collagen production and thus Has to use Lpa and LPA goes up
I'm sure smokers are prone to the same logic

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Post Number:#2  Post by Joanna45 » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:49 am

Zafras
Makes sense to me ..

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Post Number:#3  Post by TommyTurtle » Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:34 pm

Sounds reasonable to me too Zarfas. My Lp(a) levels significantly reduced despite embarking on an exercise regime. However I was supplementing with Vit C and Niacin.

These studies can really mislead folk into doing the wrong thing if taken at face value. Exercise = higher Lp(a) = increased risk of MI / stroke. Completely the wrong course of action and ignores key information as you point out

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Post Number:#4  Post by jimmylesante » Tue May 02, 2017 1:31 am

It is something i actively tell my marathon runners they must take.

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Post Number:#5  Post by Rimah37 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:27 pm

when I was working out....I didnt supplement all...I regret it!!!

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Post Number:#6  Post by francisunderwood » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:13 pm

I read the summary and then the study. From what I gather maybe high intensity training on a regular basis makes lpa go up and moderate exercise could make it go down or stay the same from people not supplementing.

Could this be why some runners just drop dead even though they seem to be in great health?
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Post Number:#7  Post by skwoodwiva » Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:38 am

This seems to confirm PT more than it does anything else.

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Post Number:#8  Post by zarfas » Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:33 am

skwoodwiva wrote:This seems to confirm PT more than it does anything else.

the theory is sound
Lpa is a surrogte for collagen
you need vit C to make collagen
vit C is used up easily or is lost bc it's water soluable, ie you need SOME vit C in you at all times
no vit C available to make collagen., Lpa is used instead to remake/plaster arteries
LPa, lysine binding sites, is the primer for plaque to grow

--I think this sums up Pauling's theory welll?


I'd just like to see success stories from PT

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Post Number:#9  Post by ofonorow » Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:33 am

I'd just like to see success stories from PT


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Post Number:#10  Post by skwoodwiva » Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:00 pm

Rimah37 wrote:when I was working out....I didnt supplement all...I regret it!!!

I had a MI on 5/14. From about 9/14 to 10/16 I exercised 4 to 5 times a week, up to 50 flights of stairs quite often. No VC supplementation at all. Polysorbate 80 from ONE COq10 dose push me into a mild MI in late October. Had a CABG the next month.

Started PT about new years day.

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Post Number:#11  Post by zarfas » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:14 am

skwoodwiva wrote:
Rimah37 wrote:when I was working out....I didnt supplement all...I regret it!!!

I had a MI on 5/14. From about 9/14 to 10/16 I exercised 4 to 5 times a week, up to 50 flights of stairs quite often. No VC supplementation at all. Polysorbate 80 from ONE COq10 dose push me into a mild MI in late October. Had a CABG the next month.

Started PT about new years day.

excuse me for not being uptodate with the jargon....what?

to translate this to words
you had a heart attach on 5, 2014
fron sept 2014 to october2016, almost 2 years you exercised 4-5x a week
didnt take any vit C in those 2 years

then you took some co10 and feel that that Polysorbate 80 in that pill(Polysorbate 80 is a nonionic surfactant and emulsifier often used in foods and cosmetics. This synthetic compound is a viscous, water-soluble yellow liquid) made you have another heart attack

which lead you to have a CABG (Coronary artery bypass grafting)

then you started Pauling therapy(taking vitamin C and lysine?)


a few comments from me
how did the polysorbate 80 cause a heart attack?
you "exercised", weight lifting? yet that wasnt useful to prevent a heart attack? what was that useful in doing? getting you lean(15 % or less) or getting you lean?

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Post Number:#12  Post by skwoodwiva » Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:21 pm

zarfas wrote:
skwoodwiva wrote:
Rimah37 wrote:when I was working out....I didnt supplement all...I regret it!!!

I had a MI on 5/14. From about 9/14 to 10/16 I exercised 4 to 5 times a week, up to 50 flights of stairs quite often. No VC supplementation at all. Polysorbate 80 from ONE COq10 dose push me into a mild MI in late October. Had a CABG the next month.

Started PT about new years day.

excuse me for not being uptodate with the jargon....what?

to translate this to words
you had a heart attach on 5, 2014
fron sept 2014 to october2016, almost 2 years you exercised 4-5x a week
didnt take any vit C in those 2 years

then you took some co10 and feel that that Polysorbate 80 in that pill(Polysorbate 80 is a nonionic surfactant and emulsifier often used in foods and cosmetics. This synthetic compound is a viscous, water-soluble yellow liquid) made you have another heart attack

which lead you to have a CABG (Coronary artery bypass grafting)

then you started Pauling therapy(taking vitamin C and lysine?)


a few comments from me
how did the polysorbate 80 cause a heart attack?
you "exercised", weight lifting? yet that wasnt useful to prevent a heart attack? what was that useful in doing? getting you lean(15 % or less) or getting you lean?

My whole point is exercise without VC got me in a worst condition.

I did not say the poly 80 was what caused my CVD, I said it caused an early MI in somebody who was headed that direction already.

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Many testimonies of havoc.
http://thegoodhuman.com/what-is-polysorbate-80/4/

It IS contraindicated for anyone with a history of heart failure or MIs!
Look it up!

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Post Number:#13  Post by zarfas » Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:23 pm

skwoodwiva wrote:My whole point is exercise without VC got me in a worst condition.


OK It wasnt clear
exercise without VC and just daily living uses VC, you never know when you are low


skwoodwiva wrote:I did not say the poly 80 was what caused my CVD, I said it caused an early MI in somebody who was headed that direction already.


my bad, I was confused by what you wrote

skwoodwiva wrote:Polysorbate 80 from ONE COq10 dose push me into a mild MI in late October..


:lol:

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Post Number:#14  Post by skwoodwiva » Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:40 pm

zarfas wrote:
skwoodwiva wrote:My whole point is exercise without VC got me in a worst condition.


OK It wasnt clear
exercise without VC and just daily living uses VC, you never know when you are low


skwoodwiva wrote:I did not say the poly 80 was what caused my CVD, I said it caused an early MI in somebody who was headed that direction already.


my bad, I was confused by what you wrote

skwoodwiva wrote:Polysorbate 80 from ONE COq10 dose push me into a mild MI in late October..


:lol:

I think :eek: would be more empathetic, less likely to imply ridicule

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Post Number:#15  Post by skwoodwiva » Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:49 pm

Costco Qunol
It took less than an hour, it felt like a panic/hyperventilation spell, after 20 flights on a stair climber. Could not sleep w/o elevation, hospital found markers.


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