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why no study?

Post Number:#1  Post by zarfas » Sat Jul 08, 2017 5:17 am

from
http://www.paulingtherapy.com/science.htm

There have been careful experiments with guinea pigs, first attempted by the Canadian Willis in the mid 1950s.

The result is always the same.

When these animals are deprived of vitamin C they die a terrible scurvy death in a matter of weeks. When their vitamin C is limited to the U. S. RDA they live, but develop atherosclerosis. When fed roughly the human equivalent of 3 to 5 gm of vitamin C, the pigs thrive with no signs of atherosclerosis.

Disease in guinea pigs occurs in weeks, the human form of the disease usually takes decades to develop. [1] While differences are to be expected in animal experiments, the lesions produced by these experiments are remarkable for their similarity to the human lesion. [2]



Why can't I find this expirment on pubmed?
Id love to shove this expiriment into the faces of peolpe who thinkI'm crazy to take vit C every 2 hours...along with lysine.

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Re: why no study?

Post Number:#2  Post by pamojja » Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:01 am

Have you tried searching at AscorbateWeb?

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Re: why no study?

Post Number:#3  Post by skwoodwiva » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:41 am

Drop a doozy why don't you!
Thanks very much
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Scuvy yes but nothing on CVD, hmm.

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Re: why no study?

Post Number:#4  Post by skwoodwiva » Sun Jul 09, 2017 3:10 am

zarfas wrote:from
http://www.paulingtherapy.com/science.htm

There have been careful experiments with guinea pigs, first attempted by the Canadian Willis in the mid 1950s.

The result is always the same.

When these animals are deprived of vitamin C they die a terrible scurvy death in a matter of weeks. When their vitamin C is limited to the U. S. RDA they live, but develop atherosclerosis. When fed roughly the human equivalent of 3 to 5 gm of vitamin C, the pigs thrive with no signs of atherosclerosis.

Disease in guinea pigs occurs in weeks, the human form of the disease usually takes decades to develop. [1] While differences are to be expected in animal experiments, the lesions produced by these experiments are remarkable for their similarity to the human lesion. [2]



Why can't I find this expirment on pubmed?
Id love to shove this expiriment into the faces of peolpe who thinkI'm crazy to take vit C every 2 hours...along with lysine.

Agree.
BTW, my KP Dr will not order a CAC for me. He says I already (read, are hopeless) have CVD what good would it do?
I am ready to fire him. I am looking for evidence to give him. Your link is one do you have more?
Not sure I would do a CAT, rather a MRI for radiation concerns.
Does anybody do the MRI version?

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Post Number:#5  Post by zarfas » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:16 am

skwoodwiva wrote:
zarfas wrote:from
http://www.paulingtherapy.com/science.htm

There have been careful experiments with guinea pigs, first attempted by the Canadian Willis in the mid 1950s.

The result is always the same.

When these animals are deprived of vitamin C they die a terrible scurvy death in a matter of weeks. When their vitamin C is limited to the U. S. RDA they live, but develop atherosclerosis. When fed roughly the human equivalent of 3 to 5 gm of vitamin C, the pigs thrive with no signs of atherosclerosis.

Disease in guinea pigs occurs in weeks, the human form of the disease usually takes decades to develop. [1] While differences are to be expected in animal experiments, the lesions produced by these experiments are remarkable for their similarity to the human lesion. [2]



Why can't I find this expirment on pubmed?
Id love to shove this expiriment into the faces of peolpe who thinkI'm crazy to take vit C every 2 hours...along with lysine.

Agree.
BTW, my KP Dr will not order a CAC for me. He says I already (read, are hopeless) have CVD what good would it do?
I am ready to fire him. I am looking for evidence to give him. Your link is one do you have more?
Not sure I would do a CAT, rather a MRI for radiation concerns.
Does anybody do the MRI version?

I agree, do the MRI for a heart ...you and I think alike,
Over the past decade, cardiovascular magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) has emerged as the gold standard for the evaluation of ventricular systolic function, as well as for evaluation and tissue characterization in ischemic and nonischemic cardiomyopathy.1 Cardiovascular MRI is reproducible, having a high spatial resolution, a relatively high temporal resolution, and no geometric assumption. Consequential to advances in both hardware and software, the imaging time is now considerably shorter than ever before.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2879211/


fire your MD
IM not sure what KP Dr means?
kaiser permanette???

but you dont need a MD who is not on your side, find one that will order the MRI

what are you doing to fight your CVD?
I'd do:
5 grams lysine
10+ grams AA
2+ lipo C
3-4 life extension superK
superK with sea iodine/vit D
plant based diet

I'm not sure if you need to do anything else/..

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Re: why no study?

Post Number:#6  Post by skwoodwiva » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:31 pm

zarfas wrote:
skwoodwiva wrote:
zarfas wrote:from
http://www.paulingtherapy.com/science.htm

There have been careful experiments with guinea pigs, first attempted by the Canadian Willis in the mid 1950s.

The result is always the same.

When these animals are deprived of vitamin C they die a terrible scurvy death in a matter of weeks. When their vitamin C is limited to the U. S. RDA they live, but develop atherosclerosis. When fed roughly the human equivalent of 3 to 5 gm of vitamin C, the pigs thrive with no signs of atherosclerosis.

Disease in guinea pigs occurs in weeks, the human form of the disease usually takes decades to develop. [1] While differences are to be expected in animal experiments, the lesions produced by these experiments are remarkable for their similarity to the human lesion. [2]



Why can't I find this expirment on pubmed?
Id love to shove this expiriment into the faces of peolpe who thinkI'm crazy to take vit C every 2 hours...along with lysine.

Agree.
BTW, my KP Dr will not order a CAC for me. He says I already (read, are hopeless) have CVD what good would it do?
I am ready to fire him. I am looking for evidence to give him. Your link is one do you have more?
Not sure I would do a CAT, rather a MRI for radiation concerns.
Does anybody do the MRI version?

I agree, do the MRI for a heart ...you and I think alike,
Over the past decade, cardiovascular magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) has emerged as the gold standard for the evaluation of ventricular systolic function, as well as for evaluation and tissue characterization in ischemic and nonischemic cardiomyopathy.1 Cardiovascular MRI is reproducible, having a high spatial resolution, a relatively high temporal resolution, and no geometric assumption. Consequential to advances in both hardware and software, the imaging time is now considerably shorter than ever before.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2879211/


fire your MD
IM not sure what KP Dr means?
kaiser permanette??? .

**yes


what are you doing to fight your CVD?
I'd do:
5 grams lysine
** 9 g

10+ grams AA
** 20 to 24

2+ lipo C
** what is this?

3-4 life extension superK
** 1 a day

superK with sea iodine/vit D
** similar

plant based diet
** as noted previously type O, paleo, only saturated fats, some rice, lots of vegetables

Proline 2.5 g

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Re: why no study?

Post Number:#7  Post by skwoodwiva » Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:21 pm

Liposomal C 2+ grams
** right?

I also do the following:
Cod livers, 1 oz I keep the King Oscars frozen once opened.
Now Omega 3 ~ 1800 epa/1200 dha per day
Borage oil 6 g per day
Olive EV oil 20 g California Olive Ranch
Beets 1 large
Organic ginger 5 oz
CoQ10 ubiquinol 400 mg in the EVVO/Borage
Niacin 2g Niaspan or 4g IR
Fermented garlic with the above.
The following in a CO2 Selzer (preservative) to wash VC down:
2g taurine
2g ALCAR
10g d'ribose
2.5g proline
9g lysine
6g l-arginine or 6g l-citrulline
12g elderberry powder

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Re: why no study?

Post Number:#8  Post by zarfas » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:53 pm

skwoodwiva wrote:Liposomal C 2+ grams
** right?

I also do the following:
Cod livers, 1 oz I keep the King Oscars frozen once opened.
Now Omega 3 ~ 1800 epa/1200 dha per day
Borage oil 6 g per day
Olive EV oil 20 g California Olive Ranch
Beets 1 large
Organic ginger 5 oz
CoQ10 ubiquinol 400 mg in the EVVO/Borage
Niacin 2g Niaspan or 4g IR
Fermented garlic with the above.
The following in a CO2 Selzer (preservative) to wash VC down:
2g taurine
2g ALCAR
10g d'ribose
2.5g proline
9g lysine
6g l-arginine or 6g l-citrulline
12g elderberry powder



that is a ton of stuff
I dont see any vit C?? aside from the Liposomal C 2+ grams ?


you take a lot of oil
cod livers?

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Re: why no study?

Post Number:#9  Post by skwoodwiva » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:15 pm

Look back there are 2 replies
Add them together

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Re: why no study?

Post Number:#10  Post by hvc » Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:11 pm

Anyone familiar with mcg test?

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Re: why no study?

Post Number:#11  Post by skwoodwiva » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:37 pm

More supplements
MORINGA 3 x a day replaced my Zebeta which replaced my Carvedilol from the hospital CABG

Yes oil, I am an O! Carbs & the many forms of wheat in particular make Os fat. Bs not so much. As & ABs just the opposite.

Do you really think all those Paleo's, gluten free's & etc are nuts? They are Os & Bs.
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Post Number:#12  Post by skwoodwiva » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:45 pm

Delete please

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Post Number:#13  Post by zarfas » Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:00 am

skwoodwiva wrote:Look back there are 2 replies
Add them together

huh?
I can't figure out what, if anything, you are saying.....
why dont you just answer the question? instead of making it some power play or some s##t?

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Post Number:#14  Post by skwoodwiva » Tue Jul 11, 2017 1:59 am

The s**t is post 68. Can you not read the thread?

"
kaiser permanette??? .

**yes


what are you doing to fight your CVD?
I'd do:
5 grams lysine
** 9 g

10+ grams AA
** 20 to 24

2+ lipo C
** what is this?

3-4 life extension superK
** 1 a day

superK with sea iodine/vit D
** similar

plant based diet
** as noted previously type O, paleo, only saturated fats, some rice, lots of vegetables

Proline 2.5 g

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Post Number:#15  Post by zarfas » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:08 am

skwoodwiva wrote:The s**t is post 68. Can you not read the thread?

considering this is post 14, I dont know what that means?

"
skwoodwiva wrote:kaiser permanette??? .

**yes


what are you doing to fight your CVD?
I'd do:
5 grams lysine
** 9 g

10+ grams AA
** 20 to 24

2+ lipo C
** what is this?

3-4 life extension superK
** 1 a day

superK with sea iodine/vit D
** similar

plant based diet
** as noted previously type O, paleo, only saturated fats, some rice, lots of vegetables

Proline 2.5 g

that last part, huh?
"O type paleo"
? dunno what that is?
veggies and rice seem good,i'd keep my fat intake low,
unless you are getting W-3's which are PUFAs
go watch netflix, "what the food"
are you lean? get lean, this will help get your hormones where they need to be


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