How does Pauling's therapy work so quickly?

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How does Pauling's therapy work so quickly?

Post Number:#1  Post by zarfas » Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:37 am

ofonorow wrote: Wonderful. Thank you for the report, (which matches our experiences since 1996 - roughly 10 days to eliminate intractable chest pains. )

what is the theory about what happens in those 10days?
Im guessing angina isfrom a lack of blood flow, thus low amounts of oxygen, so the cells are "dying"?

so from the pain , 10days of CardioVascular-C, to no pain
what does cardiovascular C do?

cardio C contains 30 servings
1 serving is
2.5g vit C
2.5g lysine
0.5 grams proline

riboflavin(b2)
52mg stevia

so you take some of this stuff and what happens to the plaque in the heart arteries that is causing you pain?

lots of stories about Cardio-C working, Im just curious how?

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Re: How does Pauling's therapy work so quickly?

Post Number:#2  Post by ofonorow » Sat Jul 15, 2017 4:53 am

Actually a good question - I wrote a book about it :D (Which is now available on kindle).

The effect was first reported by Linus Pauling (on video and in published case reports) after Linus was asked by a fellow scientist with heart disease (with intractable angina pain), and who was already taking 5 grams of vitamin C daily, "What else do you recommend?" Pauling told him "Try adding lysine" and the result, as they say, is history. Full story: http://vitaminc.foundation/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=11598

LESSON #1: While Vitamin C May Keep You Alive with Heart Disease - By Itself, Vitamin C Won't Relieve Angina (Chest) Pain.

So the answer to your question is that there is "something" about adding "enough" of the amino acid lysine to high dose vitamin C that relieves intractable chest pain, from reports, within 2 weeks.

I don't pretend to know why pain rapidly subsides, BECAUSE NO ONE I KNOW IS STUDYING THIS (with the possible exception of Matthias Rath's team).

What do we know?

#1 - Lysine was recommended by Pauling because the Lp(a) molecule which initiates atherosclerotic plaques does so using a "lysine binding site" on the Lp(a) molecule. Pauling's invention to "deactivate" Lp(a) - so called "Lp(a) Binding Inhibitors" - was to add lysine to the blood stream to react with Lp(a) before the molecule could stick to the arterial wall.

So a theory (guess) is that over the course of 10 days, enough of the atheroclerotic plaque is dissolved from the "clogged" arterial wall by the addition of the solvent lysine, that more blood begins to flow - making the blood starved heart happier.

Other ideas have to do with the increased production of collagen.. as lysine, proline (and glycine I think) are the basic components of collagen.

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Re: How does Pauling's therapy work so quickly?

Post Number:#3  Post by zarfas » Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:27 am

ofonorow wrote:Actually a good question - I wrote a book about it :D (Which is now available on kindle).

I'd buy your book, i hate kindle and prefer the ease of a simple text on pdf
can I buy that?


ofonorow wrote:
The effect was first reported by Linus Pauling (on video and in published case reports) after Linus was asked by a fellow scientist with heart disease (with intractable angina pain), and who was already taking 5 grams of vitamin C daily, "What else do you recommend?" Pauling told him "Try adding lysine" and the result, as they say, is history. Full story: http://vitaminc.foundation/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=11598

LESSON #1: While Vitamin C May Keep You Alive with Heart Disease - By Itself, Vitamin C Won't Relieve Angina (Chest) Pain.

So the answer to your question is that there is "something" about adding "enough" of the amino acid lysine to high dose vitamin C that relieves intractable chest pain, from reports, within 2 weeks.

I don't pretend to know why pain rapidly subsides, BECAUSE NO ONE I KNOW IS STUDYING THIS (with the possible exception of Matthias Rath's team).

What do we know?

#1 - Lysine was recommended by Pauling because the Lp(a) molecule which initiates atherosclerotic plaques does so using a "lysine binding site" on the Lp(a) molecule. Pauling's invention to "deactivate" Lp(a) - so called "Lp(a) Binding Inhibitors" - was to add lysine to the blood stream to react with Lp(a) before the molecule could stick to the arterial wall.

So a theory (guess) is that over the course of 10 days, enough of the atheroclerotic plaque is dissolved from the "clogged" arterial wall by the addition of the solvent lysine, that more blood begins to flow - making the blood starved heart happier.

Other ideas have to do with the increased production of collagen.. as lysine, proline (and glycine I think) are the basic components of collagen.


thank you
if the plaque is calcified, wouldn't you need k2?

is proline better than lysine? I take lysine pills and eat eggwhites, (has both lysine/proline)--> foods highest in proline/lysine
http://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-000 ... 000-w.html

but is one better than the other?


do you have any evidence that taking grams of vit C, lysine.proline cause an increase in the production of collagen?
(granted, I have tons of personal andeotal stories about better skin, fast healing wounds, better gums/teeth, but I need something to show my MD and non-md "friends" who dont consider andotal stories much to "risk" taking grams of vit C and lysine

-yes, I said "risk" as if there is harm in taking a water soluable nutrient or eating fat-free protien,
I cant explain the why of how some people think

btw
\DEMENTIA
you said
"Vitamin C May Keep You Alive with Heart Disease - By Itself, Vitamin C Won't Relieve Angina (Chest) Pain."
which implies to me that vit C alone can't fix cloths/plaques that impede blood flow
in the documentary, "WHAT THE HEALTH?"
it is claimed that vit C helps keep vessals unclogged and it is the clogging of small vessals in the brain that lead to dementia

what are your thoughts?

does PT prevent dementia?

A critical review of Vitamin C for the prevention of age-related cognitive decline and Alzheimer’s disease

In the current review evidence is presented that vitamin C deficiency is far more widespread than is currently presumed, and that adequate vitamin C intake is critical in the slowing the onset and progression of Alzheimer's disease (dementias of the Alzheimer's type, DAT).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3727637/


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