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The discussion of the Linus Pauling vitamin C/lysine invention for chronic scurvy

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Post Number:#16  Post by Joanna45 » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:13 am

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I did get better am now able to go back to regular routines and I did ask my doctor if she would repeat the mesenteric duplex ultrasound and she said she would not..because she does not believe that Vitamin C has anything to do we my arteries being cleared..and the test is quite expensive ..

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Post Number:#17  Post by francisunderwood » Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:08 pm

zarfas wrote:
Joanna45 wrote:I wait at least a half hour on an empty stomach



yes and dont have fat in the stomach

In the absence of lipid, vitamin C prevented the formation of N-nitrosodiethylamine and N-nitrosopiperidine and decreased the formation of N-nitrosodimethylamine and N-nitrosomorpholine 5-fold and 1000-fold, respectively. In the presence of 10% lipid (a food matrix component for processed meats), the presence of vitamin C increased the formation of nitrosodimethylamine, nitrosodiethylamine, and N-nitrosopiperidine 8-, 60-, and 140-fold, respectively. Thus, the presence of lipid converts vitamin C from inhibiting to promoting acid nitrosation
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/1/1.full



Can you break this down to something I can comprehend?

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Post Number:#18  Post by francisunderwood » Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:09 pm

Joanna45 wrote:Francisunderwood
I did get better am now able to go back to regular routines and I did ask my doctor if she would repeat the mesenteric duplex ultrasound and she said she would not..because she does not believe that Vitamin C has anything to do we my arteries being cleared..and the test is quite expensive ..


That sounds typical. It's great to hear you are doing better and I saw in another post that your lp/a is down a lot. Does your doctor not wonder how that happened?!?!

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Post Number:#19  Post by Joanna45 » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:06 pm

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I don't think she she really understands what role Lpa plays in heart disease ..I had to go to a private lab to have the Lpa test done and pay out of pocket it was not expensive though around 48 dollars..

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Post Number:#20  Post by francisunderwood » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:43 pm

That's sad that doesn't have any knowledge of lpa but at least it wasn't insanely expensive.

My doctor had not heard of it and there was no place on the bloodwork order so he had to write it in. I told him why I wanted it and he didn't hesitate because he doesn't like writing statin scripts and wants me to try anything possible. I am not sure yet if insurance covered it so I might be getting a bill as well.

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Post Number:#21  Post by Joanna45 » Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:55 am

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I agree sad that physicians are not open to any other methods that have been proven to work..but the cardiologists would lose a lot of patients If all his patients with narrowed arteries decided to do the Linus Pauling therapy..and the angio labs where they do all the stents just imagine all the money they would no longer have...and that is really the problem with health care..they keep us dependent on them..

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Post Number:#22  Post by francisunderwood » Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:43 am

Joanna, I think you are correct and unfortunately money is made in the already sick people but next to nothing for preventative care. Even if it switched doctors would not know anything about prevention!

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Post Number:#23  Post by zarfas » Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:03 am

francisunderwood wrote:
Can you break this down to something I can comprehend?

do as the guys say on here
take vit C on an empty stomach
or the very least, dont eat fat with your vitamin C

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Post Number:#24  Post by francisunderwood » Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:44 am

zarfas wrote:
francisunderwood wrote:
Can you break this down to something I can comprehend?

do as the guys say on here
take vit C on an empty stomach
or the very least, dont eat fat with your vitamin C


I understand that I need to take it on an empty stomach I just wanted further clarification on what you posted meant in more technical terms. Is it bad if I take C with fat or am I just not getting the full benfit?

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Post Number:#25  Post by ofonorow » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:22 am

There are no known issues taking vitamin C with fat that I am aware of? Where did that come from?

The issue is fiber. Fiber is indigestible, and if the nutrients "stick" to the fiber, then they are pooped out. (Fiber can be indispensable to proper bowel movements, but, high dose supplements, e.g. vitamin C and lysine, should not be taken at the same time.) We had an early case of an individual not seeing the same benefits that everyone else was reporting on Linus Pauling's therapy. Turns out he made the "healthy" choice to take his vitamin C and lysine with a lot of fiber. Guessing this was the problem, he began to take them separately, and ouila, he then almost immediately obtained the benefits every one else was reporting
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Post Number:#26  Post by francisunderwood » Sat Aug 12, 2017 6:35 am

I have read several things that suggest taking c, lysine and proline on an empty stomach gives them a better chance at being absorbed. So I wouldn't call that an issue but rather making the most of a supplement. Is this not correct?

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Post Number:#27  Post by zarfas » Sat Aug 12, 2017 7:12 am

ofonorow wrote:[b]There are no known issues taking vitamin C with fat that I am aware of? Where did that come from?


post 10 :mrgreen:
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yes and dont have fat in the stomach

In the absence of lipid, vitamin C prevented the formation of N-nitrosodiethylamine and N-nitrosopiperidine and decreased the formation of N-nitrosodimethylamine and N-nitrosomorpholine 5-fold and 1000-fold, respectively. In the presence of 10% lipid (a food matrix component for processed meats), the presence of vitamin C increased the formation of nitrosodimethylamine, nitrosodiethylamine, and N-nitrosopiperidine 8-, 60-, and 140-fold, respectively. Thus, the presence of lipid converts vitamin C from inhibiting to promoting acid nitrosation
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/90/1/1.full

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Post Number:#28  Post by ofonorow » Sun Aug 13, 2017 6:57 am

Which is a totally different issue than what we are talking about in this forum, using high dose vitamin C and lysine for cardiovascular disease.
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Post Number:#29  Post by zarfas » Sun Aug 13, 2017 10:19 am

ofonorow wrote:Which is a totally different issue than what we are talking about in this forum, using high dose vitamin C and lysine for cardiovascular disease.

yes different, but affects PT

Im just saying DONT TAKE YOUR VIT C WHen you have a lot of fat in your stomach,.

seems a wise thing to say,..just a lil modification to for better health

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Post Number:#30  Post by ofonorow » Tue Aug 15, 2017 5:35 am

What is wise about giving false information?
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