Dosage and Vitamin C type (lysine toxicity)
Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:32 am
I joined the forum on 17 November 2017 and Owen replied to me via email, but I only just read the email today when trawling through the many undreads. He suggested I posted my point here. Here's my original email.
Dear Owen,
Hi, I’ve been taking vitamin c for about fifteen years now. Sometimes I lapse but for the past year or so I’ve been pretty regular at 5g - 9g per day. I had been taking a little lysine too but I find that I get muscle cramps after a while so I stop the lysine and they go away. My cholesterol is raised all types and my HDL LDL ratio is 6, which they are suggesting I take statins to reduce. I have a family history of CHD in the males of my father’s family.
I did have some slight angina about 15 years ago and that’s when I started taking Vitamin C. I’ve not been troubled by it since and I’ve climbed mountains much more recently with no breathlessness, tightness. No symptoms of any CVD. I had a retina photograph done recently and my retinal arteries were fine. A slight light reflex in the arteries that wasn’t there in the previous photograph 2 years before, but that photograph was poor quality.
I guess I’m joining because I see my kidney function is slightly reduced (I’m 56) to 91 (not sure if USA measure as the same as UK ones, is glomular filtration rate I think) and doing research I found some papers that say both Lysine and Vitamin C are toxic to kidneys. The lysine research is more compelling as the Vit c one looks like an outlier.
Anyway, sorry to have gone on for so long!
Tony Walker
PS . Here's a link to a paper on lysine induced kidney failure in rats. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1887985/
Since the original email, I continued to dose with 6-9mg of time release vitamin c bought from the local health food store plus Vit B complex, plus Magnesium. I should say I feel well and have no cardiovascular symptoms. I also cut out all diary food, red meat and protein was from chicken, fish and lean pork as well as beans and legumes. My LDL cholesterol actually increased after two months on this diet! I wonder if the time release vit c isn't as effective?
Dear Owen,
Hi, I’ve been taking vitamin c for about fifteen years now. Sometimes I lapse but for the past year or so I’ve been pretty regular at 5g - 9g per day. I had been taking a little lysine too but I find that I get muscle cramps after a while so I stop the lysine and they go away. My cholesterol is raised all types and my HDL LDL ratio is 6, which they are suggesting I take statins to reduce. I have a family history of CHD in the males of my father’s family.
I did have some slight angina about 15 years ago and that’s when I started taking Vitamin C. I’ve not been troubled by it since and I’ve climbed mountains much more recently with no breathlessness, tightness. No symptoms of any CVD. I had a retina photograph done recently and my retinal arteries were fine. A slight light reflex in the arteries that wasn’t there in the previous photograph 2 years before, but that photograph was poor quality.
I guess I’m joining because I see my kidney function is slightly reduced (I’m 56) to 91 (not sure if USA measure as the same as UK ones, is glomular filtration rate I think) and doing research I found some papers that say both Lysine and Vitamin C are toxic to kidneys. The lysine research is more compelling as the Vit c one looks like an outlier.
Anyway, sorry to have gone on for so long!
Tony Walker
PS . Here's a link to a paper on lysine induced kidney failure in rats. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1887985/
Since the original email, I continued to dose with 6-9mg of time release vitamin c bought from the local health food store plus Vit B complex, plus Magnesium. I should say I feel well and have no cardiovascular symptoms. I also cut out all diary food, red meat and protein was from chicken, fish and lean pork as well as beans and legumes. My LDL cholesterol actually increased after two months on this diet! I wonder if the time release vit c isn't as effective?