Well its been almost 13 months on the LP therapy

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Re: Well its been almost 13 months on the LP therapy

Post Number:#31  Post by zarfas » Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:58 pm

guitarplayer007 wrote:Thank you! !!

not a problem

you said your a1c was 5.7, I wonder if that is affecting your absrobtion of vit C

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Re: Well its been almost 13 months on the LP therapy

Post Number:#32  Post by guitarplayer007 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:27 am

I don't know, plus I have a very high calcium score and according to Dr. Rath it takes 6 months just to stop calcium progression. So in my case it could take 2 years or more to improve. Again this latest video which I have to watch again Rath kind states that this protocol might not work on advanced coronary disease saying it's more complex then just small calcium deposits.

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Re: Well its been almost 13 months on the LP therapy

Post Number:#33  Post by zarfas » Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:39 pm

well, get your diabetes under control
get your horones, Test and estergen in balance
-get your diet to be plant based,
get your bodyfat to 15% or less.
get your BMI to 25 or less

as this survery shows people with low BMIs have a smal chance of diabetes./CAD, etc
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22530540

so you think LP wont work? what's your suggestion then? make out your will?

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Post Number:#34  Post by guitarplayer007 » Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:45 pm

Plant based works, been proven numerous times.

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Re: Well its been almost 13 months on the LP therapy

Post Number:#35  Post by pamojja » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:12 am

zarfas wrote:so LP worked for you?
what was it you were doing exactly>?
taking how much vitamin C?
how much lysine/proline?
how much vit K2?

I ask for clear answers because guitarplayer007 is always posting about how LP is working for him, yet he wont take vit k2(or asks, "how much should I take?")


Guitarplayer007 is actually posting since 1 year - long before he even knew what doses Linus Pauling's therapy entails - that it isn't working for him.

Since I had the impression that there is such a strong nocebo-effect - sabotaging even the taking of correct doses of each nutrient required from the beginning - that it would be better for him to follow a protocol he has full faith in. For a change, by giving one's all to it.

LP worked for my PAD (intermittent claudication). Other additions/interventions helped with prediabetes, again others with a fatty liver, CKD 1, COPD 1, and many other miner ailments. Therefore my actual protocol has grown to much more than simple Linus Pauling therapy, due to such a variety of preconditions. Now either in remission, or it's progression halted.

Therefore my whole protocol - with all essential or conditionally essential nutrients, herbal extracts and phytochemicals, many Ayurvedic, with no clear distinction where one helped the one or the other (precondition) - would confuse guitarplayer even much, much further, and leave him totally perplexed as what to take or do.

But I posted a link to it in this other thread (and for preventing even more confusion, hope he doesn't find it).

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Re: Well its been almost 13 months on the LP therapy

Post Number:#36  Post by guitarplayer007 » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:35 am

pamojja wrote:
zarfas wrote:so LP worked for you?
what was it you were doing exactly>?
taking how much vitamin C?
how much lysine/proline?
how much vit K2?

I ask for clear answers because guitarplayer007 is always posting about how LP is working for him, yet he wont take vit k2(or asks, "how much should I take?")


Guitarplayer007 is actually posting since 1 year - long before he even knew what doses Linus Pauling's therapy entails - that it isn't working for him.

Since I had the impression that there is such a strong nocebo-effect - sabotaging even the taking of correct doses of each nutrient required from the beginning - that it would be better for him to follow a protocol he has full faith in. For a change, by giving one's all to it.

LP worked for my PAD (intermittent claudication). Other additions/interventions helped with prediabetes, again others with a fatty liver, CKD 1, COPD 1, and many other miner ailments. Therefore my actual protocol has grown to much more than simple Linus Pauling therapy, due to such a variety of preconditions. Now either in remission, or it's progression halted.

Therefore my whole protocol - with all essential or conditionally essential nutrients, herbal extracts and phytochemicals, many Ayurvedic, with no clear distinction where one helped the one or the other (precondition) - would confuse guitarplayer even much, much further, and leave him totally perplexed as what to take or do.

But I posted a link to it in this other thread (and for preventing even more confusion, hope he doesn't find it).




You are a real censored I see, you know nothing about me, I took all of LP recommendations on top of Raths recommendations so don't fucking tell me I don't know what I'm doing. Do you really think this works for everyone...lol It doesn't because if it did people would be spreading the word like wildfire yet I see this forum and hardly anyone ever posts about how much better they are !!! I have had OWENS book when I first started this 13 months ago!!!!

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Re: Well its been almost 13 months on the LP therapy

Post Number:#37  Post by guitarplayer007 » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:41 am

zarfas wrote:
guitarplayer007 wrote:I have a hard time living without animal protein but going to give it another try. I do have to watch my sugar because I'm prediabetic. And that can be hard living the vegan lifestyle
Ken

where are you from, Ken?
get some eggwhites, loads of protein, fat free and loads of lysine/proline

if you are prediabetic, then lose fat,, what's your height/weight? bodyfat level?
eating non-starchy veggies, isnt going to cause blood sugar issues
do you lift weights? do cardio?

I think we have narrowed into why PT isnt helping, although, you cant quantitative that statement with an LpA reading? or can you


I'm from New Jersey USA

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Re: Well its been almost 13 months on the LP therapy

Post Number:#38  Post by pamojja » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:59 am

guitarplayer007 wrote:Do you really think this works for everyone...lol It doesn't because if it did people would be spreading the word like wildfire yet I see this forum and hardly anyone ever posts about how much better they are !!! I have had OWENS book when I first started this 13 months ago!!!!


No, it doesn't work if you think, as still in August last year, Rath's recommendations you said you followed at that time are the same as Linus Paulings. Which already much longer ago you doubted, would help your severe case. Therefore I repeatedly advised: follow a protocol you trust and your doubt doesn't self-sabotage. It can't work this way.

But maybe your anger is a good thing. For you to more proactively fight for your health, fighting those who had success with it - and so many others here you even deny would exist - is ultimately only wasting your time.
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Post Number:#39  Post by guitarplayer007 » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:04 am

I'm not fighting people, I'm happy if it works for people, I'm just saying it hasn't worked for me, in fact my angina comes on easier now then it did 12 months ago. I'm taking so many micro-nutritrients along with the C and lysine and proline. Is it possible that it doesn't work everyone?

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Post Number:#40  Post by pamojja » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:14 am

guitarplayer007 wrote:I'm not fighting people, I'm happy if it works for people, I'm just saying it hasn't worked for me, in fact my angina comes on easier now then it did 12 months ago. I'm taking so many micro-nutritrients along with the C and lysine and proline. Is it possible that it doesn't work everyone?


Of course it is possible not working for everyone. Everyone has different root-causes, which one can't phantom without extensive lab-works. For example if I didn't address my other issues (fatty liver, CKD, prediabetes, COPD, stroke, hormonal imbalances..) it wouldn't have helped having succeeded against PAD. I as might well have died of other causes long ago.

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Re: Well its been almost 13 months on the LP therapy

Post Number:#41  Post by zarfas » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:34 am

pamojja wrote:
Of course it is possible not working for everyone. Everyone has different root-causes, which one can't phantom without extensive lab-works. For example if I didn't address my other issues (fatty liver, CKD, prediabetes, COPD, stroke, hormonal imbalances..) it wouldn't have helped having succeeded against PAD. I as might well have died of other causes long ago.



well said

In my email exchange with Dr levy, he said fix thyroid or PT wont do s##t....I'm paraphrasing

point was fix thyroid
Guitarplayer has prediabetes and low T, likely high E2 and I dont think he is taking :
vit k2
Mg
10+ grams vit C
5+ grams lysine/proline
eating a plant based diet(veggies/fruit, low fat, no meat,)
no dairy
he is always complaing PT isnt working, but doesnt give his lpa levels or what concrete info he has to show it is not working.


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