Well its been almost 13 months on the LP therapy

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Well its been almost 13 months on the LP therapy

Post Number:#1  Post by guitarplayer007 » Sat Apr 07, 2018 5:40 am

And my CVD is getting worse not better unfortunately. My Angina comes on a lot easier now then it did 12 months ago, basically sometimes just taking the garbage out which is not strenuous at all and I feel some pressure in my jaw/face...That's my typical Angina feeling . And from the looks on this forum which is always so quiet I would say most people have the same result as I do.
Looks like I have to try whole food plant based diet again, its my last hope at having a someone what normal life :(
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Post Number:#2  Post by skwoodwiva » Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:39 am

guitarplayer007 wrote:And my CVD is getting worse not better unfortunately. My Angina comes on a lot easier now then it did 12 months ago, basically sometimes just taking the garbage out which is not strenuous at all and I feel some pressure in my jaw/face...That's my typical Angina feeling . And from the looks on this forum which is always so quiet I would say most people have the same result as I do.
Looks like I have to try whole food plant based diet again, its my last hope at having a someone what normal life :(
Ken

I actually went through a bout of angina (mild in arms-a nitrostat confirmed it. I took ~ 5 that one week.) a few months back see My Journey.
It was due mostly to (anxiety induced-maybe) hyperventilation. The serrapeptase has helped me to breathe normally. Also NO produced by nose breathing, alone calms me 24/7

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Post Number:#3  Post by guitarplayer007 » Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:43 am

I heard that Serrapeptase is good for removing plaque but I'm getting diem on all these natural therapies, they don't seem to work

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Post Number:#4  Post by skwoodwiva » Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:11 pm

guitarplayer007 wrote:I heard that Serrapeptase is good for removing plaque but I'm getting diem on all these natural therapies, they don't seem to work

Try 1 then up to 2 million spu
Women take 1 mill for infertility with no side effects.
KAL brand is cheap, but you need to convert to spu

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Post Number:#5  Post by tjallen » Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:13 pm

guitarplayer007, it's a shame that vitamin C, proline and lysine aren't working for you, but very few things work for everyone who tries them. I'd try skwoodwiva's suggestion of serrapeptase, as well as chondroitin sulfate, in addition to the vitamin C, proline and lysine. I found improvement with blood flow after adding these two things to Pauling's suggestions, so it might work for you.

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Post Number:#6  Post by guitarplayer007 » Sat Apr 07, 2018 12:35 pm

Thanks tjallan

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Post Number:#7  Post by pamojja » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:51 pm

Read here what's the deeper problem why it isn't working for Ken: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13608&p=50662#p50662

He still believes Linus Pauling therapy is just high-dose vitamin C and l-lysine. Or a Dr. Rath version of that. He hasn't followed what Linus Pauling recommended just for maintaining good health in his '86 book:

How to Live Longer and Feel Better
  • Take vitamin C every day, 6 grams to 18 g (6000 to 18,000 milligrams), or more. Do not miss a single day.
  • Take vitamin E every day, 400 IU, 800 IU, or 1600 IU.
  • Take one or two Super-B tablets every day, to provide good amounts of the B-vitamins.
  • Take 25,000 IU vitamin A tablet every day.
  • Take a mineral supplement every day, such as one tablet of the Bronson vitamin-mineral formula, which provides 100 mg of calcium, 18 mg of iron, 0.15 mg of iodine, 1 mg of copper, 25 mg of magnesium, 3 mg of manganese, 15 mg of zinc, 0.015 mg of molybdenum, 0.015 mg of chromium, and 0.015 mg of selenium.
  • Keep your intake of ordinary sugar (sucrose, raw sugar, brown sugar, honey) to 50 pounds per year, which is half the present U.S. average. Do not add sugar to tea or coffee. Do not eat high-sugar foods. Avoid sweet desserts. Do not drink soft drink.
  • Except for avoiding sugar, eat what you like - but not too much of any one food. Eggs and meat are good foods. Also you should eat some vegetables and fruits. Do not eat so much food as to become obese.
  • Drink plenty of water every day.
  • Keep active; take some exercise. Do not at any time exert yourself physically to an extent far beyond what you are accustomed to.
  • Drink alcoholic beverages only in moderation.
  • Do not smoke cigarettes.
  • Avoid stress. Work at a job that you like. Be happy with your family
.


I tried to explain repeatedly in the past. But till now he doesn't understands that vitamin C and lysine, or Rath's approach, isn't what others here understand as being part and parcel of PT.

He really is in such a tiresome situation that he can't understand.

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Post Number:#8  Post by guitarplayer007 » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:57 pm

pamojja wrote:Read here what's the deeper problem why it isn't working for Ken: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13608&p=50662#p50662

He still believes Linus Pauling therapy is just vitamin high-dose vitamin C and l-lysine. Or a Dr. Rath version of that. He hasn't followed what Linus Pauling recommended just for maintaining good health in his '86 book:

How to Live Longer and Feel Better
  • Take vitamin C every day, 6 grams to 18 g (6000 to 18,000 milligrams), or more. Do not miss a single day.
  • Take vitamin E every day, 400 IU, 800 IU, or 1600 IU.
  • Take one or two Super-B tablets every day, to provide good amounts of the B-vitamins.
  • Take 25,000 IU vitamin A tablet every day.
  • Take a mineral supplement every day, such as one tablet of the Bronson vitamin-mineral formula, which provides 100 mg of calcium, 18 mg of iron, 0.15 mg of iodine, 1 mg of copper, 25 mg of magnesium, 3 mg of manganese, 15 mg of zinc, 0.015 mg of molybdenum, 0.015 mg of chromium, and 0.015 mg of selenium.
  • Keep your intake of ordinary sugar (sucrose, raw sugar, brown sugar, honey) to 50 pounds per year, which is half the present U.S. average. Do not add sugar to tea or coffee. Do not eat high-sugar foods. Avoid sweet desserts. Do not drink soft drink.
  • Except for avoiding sugar, eat what you like - but not too much of any one food. Eggs and meat are good foods. Also you should eat some vegetables and fruits. Do not eat so much food as to become obese.
  • Drink plenty of water every day.
  • Keep active; take some exercise. Do not at any time exert yourself physically to an extent far beyond what you are accustomed to.
  • Drink alcoholic beverages only in moderation.
  • Do not smoke cigarettes.
  • Avoid stress. Work at a job that you like. Be happy with your family
.


I tried to explain repeatedly in the past. But till now he doesn't understands that vitamin C and lysine, or Rath's approach, isn't what others here understand as being part and parcel of PT.

He really is in such a tiresome situation that he can't understand.



You have no fucking clue, im.taking everything LP says to take in his book!!!!! Btw how many studies on humans did LP do? None!!!! How many did Rath do, at least 1 because they show is plaque gone after 12 month's, of course that patient had mine plaque. I have severe.

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Post Number:#9  Post by pamojja » Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:15 pm

guitarplayer007 wrote: Btw how many studies on humans did LP do? None!!!!


As already said in that other thread, find something you could give all your attention to, in all its details. If you don't believe it could work from the beginning, you wont, and it can't work in that haphazard way.

I also have it very severe, with a 80% blockage at my abdominal aorta. And it took more than 5 years to reverse a 60% walking-disability from it.

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Post Number:#10  Post by skwoodwiva » Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:38 pm

guitarplayer007 wrote:
pamojja wrote:Read here what's the deeper problem why it isn't working for Ken: http://www.vitaminc.foundation/forum/vi ... 662#p50662

He still believes Linus Pauling therapy is just vitamin high-dose vitamin C and l-lysine. Or a Dr. Rath version of that. He hasn't followed what Linus Pauling recommended just for maintaining good health in his '86 book:

How to Live Longer and Feel Better
  • Take vitamin C every day, 6 grams to 18 g (6000 to 18,000 milligrams), or more. Do not miss a single day.
  • Take vitamin E every day, 400 IU, 800 IU, or 1600 IU.
  • Take one or two Super-B tablets every day, to provide good amounts of the B-vitamins.
  • Take 25,000 IU vitamin A tablet every day.
  • Take a mineral supplement every day, such as one tablet of the Bronson vitamin-mineral formula, which provides 100 mg of calcium, 18 mg of iron, 0.15 mg of iodine, 1 mg of copper, 25 mg of magnesium, 3 mg of manganese, 15 mg of zinc, 0.015 mg of molybdenum, 0.015 mg of chromium, and 0.015 mg of selenium.
  • Keep your intake of ordinary sugar (sucrose, raw sugar, brown sugar, honey) to 50 pounds per year, which is half the present U.S. average. Do not add sugar to tea or coffee. Do not eat high-sugar foods. Avoid sweet desserts. Do not drink soft drink.
  • Except for avoiding sugar, eat what you like - but not too much of any one food. Eggs and meat are good foods. Also you should eat some vegetables and fruits. Do not eat so much food as to become obese.
  • Drink plenty of water every day.
  • Keep active; take some exercise. Do not at any time exert yourself physically to an extent far beyond what you are accustomed to.
  • Drink alcoholic beverages only in moderation.
  • Do not smoke cigarettes.
  • Avoid stress. Work at a job that you like. Be happy with your family
.


I tried to explain repeatedly in the past. But till now he doesn't understands that vitamin C and lysine, or Rath's approach, isn't what others here understand as being part and parcel of PT.

He really is in such a tiresome situation that he can't understand.



You have no fucking clue, im.taking everything LP says to take in his book!!!!! Btw how many studies on humans did LP do? None!!!! How many did Rath do, at least 1 because they show is plaque gone after 12 month's, of course that patient had mine plaque. I have severe.

Ken,
Except for the crond... stuff I take much more than even pamo mentioned!
I was adding Ala & more right about the same time the angenia quit.
True I do report less need for supplements after the serrapeptase but that conjecture on my part not yet verified. I may need all this just not 3 times a day. CVD has made me waco careful.

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That and water, plus keeping K & Mg in my pocket is the key to managing HD.Edited by user 13 days ago | Reason: Not specifiedOn PaulingT4.30.14MI Stents11.3.16CABG4.17 EFwent 55,was35,Lpa <10 nowRunners high is backUp to 50g AABack to top slimjohn #3 Posted : 13 days agoslimjohnRank: Advanced MemberMedals: Century Award: 100+ posts!Joined: 7/20/2012Posts: 2,477ManUnited StatesLocation: Southern Plains, USAThanks: 237 timesWas thanked: 1117 time(s) in 778 post(s) Hi!1. Fish oil EPA:DHA, 3:2 DOES passify plaque (make less likely to rupture) and is a powerful inhibitor of inflammation (eicosanoids). However great it is, it is not a complete solution (is there one?). Fish oil EPA does inhibit ABCA1 (macrophage efflux 'port').2. You need ALA to inhibit the formation or deposition of calcium phosphate (arterial calcification). Magnesium helps but based on research ALA seems especially well-suited for this task. Not mentioned in the post is that ALA does upregulate ABCA1 and ABCG1 efflux (HDL).3. (R) Alpha Lipoic Acid is available in 100mg-600mg capsules. It's effect is dose dependent (and probably phosphate level) so 600mg/day may be best.4. About Vitamin K. You don't want to ever be low on Vitamin K since is is essential in carboxylation of matrix Gla protein that is formed on artery walls (upregulated by Vitamin D3). Otherwise, the matrix Gla protein is like a primer for calcification. Here is what I take:LEF Super K with Advanced K2 Complex. 1 cap/dayK1: 1500mcgMk4: 1000mcgMk7: 100mcgI take this primarily for K1 (the Mk4 and Mk7 are cis, not trans formulations)Relentless Improvement Vitamin K2 (all trans Mk4+mk7). 3 caps, 2x/dayMk4: 15,000mcgMk7: 60mcgI take this for Mk4, 45mg am, 45mg pmDoctor's Best Natural K2 iwth MK-7 (MenaQ7), trans. 1 cap, 2x/dayMk-7: 100mcgThis combined with above yield Mk-7, 420mcg/day5. Supplements to support mitochondria function. NAC. Powerful antioxidant; probably want to be careful with this supplement especially older folk; it may promote tumor growth. CoQ10 essential for mitochondria ETC (electron transfer chain) function the leads to ATP (energy) generation. PQQ support function of mitochondria. GliSODln provides antioxidant SOD to prevent ROS mitochondria stress. All else supports mitochondria function.Serrapeptase. I've not seen any research on this substance related to atherosclerosis, plaque formation, or calcification. It is apparently an anti-inflammatory and anti-bacterial substance. If one has stent it may prevent buildup of biofilm. Apparently decreases mucus viscosity related to sinus issues. Modest pain reduction. Said to have blood-thinning effect (anti-platelet).sjBack to top skwoo #4 Posted : 11 days agoskwooRank: MemberJoined: 12/1/2016Posts: 18United StatesThanks: 6 timesWas thanked: 3 time(s) in 3 post(s) Originally Posted by: slimjohn Go to Quoted PostHi!1. Fish oil EPA:DHA, 3:2 DOES passify plaque (make less likely to rupture) and is a powerful inhibitor of inflammation (eicosanoids). However great it is, it is not a complete solution (is there one?). Fish oil EPA does inhibit ABCA1 (macrophage efflux 'port').2. You need ALA to inhibit the formation or deposition of calcium phosphate (arterial calcification). Magnesium helps but based on research ALA seems especially well-suited for this task. Not mentioned in the post is that ALA does upregulate ABCA1 and ABCG1 efflux (HDL).3. (R) Alpha Lipoic Acid is available in 100mg-600mg capsules. It's effect is dose dependent (and probably phosphate level) so 600mg/day may be best.4. About Vitamin K. You don't want to ever be low on Vitamin K since is is essential in carboxylation of matrix Gla protein that is formed on artery walls (upregulated by Vitamin D3). Otherwise, the matrix Gla protein is like a primer for calcification. Here is what I take:LEF Super K with Advanced K2 Complex. 1 cap/dayK1: 1500mcgMk4: 1000mcgMk7: 100mcgI take this primarily for K1 (the Mk4 and Mk7 are cis, not trans formulations)Relentless Improvement Vitamin K2 (all trans Mk4+mk7). 3 caps, 2x/dayMk4: 15,000mcgMk7: 60mcgI take this for Mk4, 45mg am, 45mg pmDoctor's Best Natural K2 iwth MK-7 (MenaQ7), trans. 1 cap, 2x/dayMk-7: 100mcgThis combined with above yield Mk-7, 420mcg/day5. Supplements to support mitochondria function. NAC. Powerful antioxidant; probably want to be careful with this supplement especially older folk; it may promote tumor growth. CoQ10 essential for mitochondria ETC (electron transfer chain) function the leads to ATP (energy) generation. PQQ support function of mitochondria. GliSODln provides antioxidant SOD to prevent ROS mitochondria stress. All else supports mitochondria function.Serrapeptase. I've not seen any research on this substance related to atherosclerosis, plaque formation, or calcification. It is apparently an anti-inflammatory and anti-bacterial substance. If one has stent it may prevent buildup of biofilm. Apparently decreases mucus viscosity related to sinus issues. Modest pain reduction. Said to have blood-thinning effect (anti-platelet).sjThanks a lot, John...Where do I pay, lol.On PaulingT4.30.14MI Stents11.3.16CABG4.17 EFwent 55,was35,Lpa <10 nowRunners high is backUp to 50g AABack to top skwoo #5 Posted : 11 days agoskwooRank: MemberJoined: 12/1/2016Posts: 18United StatesThanks: 6 timesWas thanked: 3 time(s) in 3 post(s) Originally Posted by: slimjohn Go to Quoted PostHi!1. Fish oil EPA:DHA, 3:2 DOES passify plaque (make less likely to rupture) and is a powerful inhibitor of inflammation (eicosanoids). However great it is, it is not a complete solution (is there one?). Fish oil EPA does inhibit ABCA1 (macrophage efflux 'port').2. You need ALA to inhibit the formation or deposition of calcium phosphate (arterial calcification). Magnesium helps but based on research ALA seems especially well-suited for this task. Not mentioned in the post is that ALA does upregulate ABCA1 and ABCG1 efflux (HDL).3. (R) Alpha Lipoic Acid is available in 100mg-600mg capsules. It's effect is dose dependent (and probably phosphate level) so 600mg/day may be best.4. About Vitamin K. You don't want to ever be low on Vitamin K since is is essential in carboxylation of matrix Gla protein that is formed on artery walls (upregulated by Vitamin D3). Otherwise, the matrix Gla protein is like a primer for calcification. Here is what I take:LEF Super K with Advanced K2 Complex. 1 cap/dayK1: 1500mcgMk4: 1000mcgMk7: 100mcgI take this primarily for K1 (the Mk4 and Mk7 are cis, not trans formulations)Relentless Improvement Vitamin K2 (all trans Mk4+mk7). 3 caps, 2x/dayMk4: 15,000mcgMk7: 60mcgI take this for Mk4, 45mg am, 45mg pmDoctor's Best Natural K2 iwth MK-7 (MenaQ7), trans. 1 cap, 2x/dayMk-7: 100mcgThis combined with above yield Mk-7, 420mcg/day5. Supplements to support mitochondria function. NAC. Powerful antioxidant; probably want to be careful with this supplement especially older folk; it may promote tumor growth. CoQ10 essential for mitochondria ETC (electron transfer chain) function the leads to ATP (energy) generation. PQQ support function of mitochondria. GliSODln provides antioxidant SOD to prevent ROS mitochondria stress. All else supports mitochondria function.Serrapeptase. I've not seen any research on this substance related to atherosclerosis, plaque formation, or calcification. It is apparently an anti-inflammatory and anti-bacterial substance. If one has stent it may prevent buildup of biofilm. Apparently decreases mucus viscosity related to sinus issues. Modest pain reduction. Said to have blood-thinning effect (anti-platelet).sjOne more thing you may know about. I gave up the time released niacin for IR. But the K tabs are convenient is there any down side to them as likethere is with other TR meds?On PaulingT4.30.14MI Stents11.3.16CABG4.17 EFwent 55,was35,Lpa <10 nowRunners high is backUp to 50g AABack to top slimjohn #6 Posted : 11 days agoslimjohnRank: Advanced MemberMedals: Century Award: 100+ posts!Joined: 7/20/2012Posts: 2,477ManUnited StatesLocation: Southern Plains, USAThanks: 237 timesWas thanked: 1117 time(s) in 778 post(s) Here's my story on niacin, skwoo:I used to take Slo-Niacin (3g), supposedly the safest non-prescription niacin with slow release. I did not want to take a drug like Tricor. Years later I changed to nicotinic acid (IR or pure niacin). Cheap, cheap, cheap. The flush with nicotinic acid (3g) was not any different than Slo-Niacin which was mild and kinda felt good. Note: it takes a minimum of 1g-3g niacin to have any effect on lipids.Other TR meds? Nicotinic acid and Slo-Niacin are the only non-prescription formulation that work to control lipids, especially triglycerides. Other formulations such as niacinamide have no effect on lipids and may create health issues (liver).I discontinued the higher dose niacin about a year ago. I took it to control triglycerides which it did. However, niacin "robs" methyl groups and presented problems with my COMT gene mutations which process methyl groups slowly anyway. The result was improved triglycerides at the expense of methylation issues (e.g., homocysteine) requiring offsetting methyl containing supplements like TMG. Still, there were variations of COMT mutations that affected me (neurotransmitter swings, dopamine, etc.). Discontinuing nicotinic acid reduced the methyl group losses and adding taurine seemed to calm the neurotransmitter swings. In addition, high dose niacin is a heavy load on the liver so long-term it may not be too good especially since I started taking high-dose curcumin and high-does EGCG to dampen cancerous B-cell lymphocyte growth. I get ALT/AST every three months and all good. Although the values were well within the reference ranges discontinuing niacin resulted in significantly lower ALT/AST values with curcumin/EGCG.In the meantime, I started taking NR (Nicotinamide Riboside) which is precursor to NAD; NR is said to mimick that benefits of nicotinic acid without the flushing. I suppose. I am not sure how to measure outcome or NAD level due to many variables but will find out with next lipid lab report. Interestingly, niacin is also a precursor to NAD but somewhat less effective in NAD production. In the meantime my triglycerides have been pretty good. If it happens that triglycerides become an issue not corrected by diet/exercise, I would not hesitate to take nicotinic acid again.sj Edited by user 11 days ago | Reason: add, rephrase two sentences for clarityBack to top skwoo #7 Posted : 11 days agoskwooRank: MemberJoined: 12/1/2016Posts: 18United StatesThanks: 6 timesWas thanked: 3 time(s) in 3 post(s) Originally Posted by: slimjohn Go to Quoted Post Here's my story on niacin, skwoo:I used to take Slo-Niacin (3g), supposedly the safest non-prescription niacin with slow release. I did not want to take a drug like Tricor. Years later I changed to nicotinic acid (IR or pure niacin). Cheap, cheap, cheap. The flush with nicotinic acid (3g) was not any different than Slo-Niacin which was mild and kinda felt good. Note: it takes a minimum of 1g-3g niacin to have any effect on lipids.Other TR meds? Nicotinic acid and Slo-Niacin are the only non-prescription formulation that work to control lipids, especially triglycerides. Other formulations such as niacinamide have no effect on lipids and may create health issues (liver).I discontinued the higher dose niacin about a year ago. I took it to control triglycerides which it did. However, niacin "robs" methyl groups and presented problems with my COMT gene mutations which process methyl groups slowly anyway. The result was improved triglycerides at the expense of methylation issues (e.g., homocysteine) requiring offsetting methyl containing supplements like TMG. Still, there were variations of COMT mutations that affected me (neurotransmitter swings, dopamine, etc.). Discontinuing nicotinic acid reduced the methyl group losses and adding taurine seemed to calm the neurotransmitter swings. In addition, high dose niacin is a heavy load on the liver so long-term it may not be too good especially since I started taking high-dose curcumin and high-does EGCG to dampen cancerous B-cell lymphocyte growth. I get ALT/AST every three months and all good. Although the values were well within the reference ranges discontinuing niacin resulted in significantly lower ALT/AST values with curcumin/EGCG.In the meantime, I started taking NR (Nicotinamide Riboside) which is precursor to NAD; NR is said to mimick that benefits of nicotinic acid without the flushing. I suppose. I am not sure how to measure outcome or NAD level due to many variables but will find out with next lipid lab report. Interestingly, niacin is also a precursor to NAD but somewhat less effective in NAD production. In the meantime my triglycerides have been pretty good. If it happens that triglycerides become an issue not corrected by diet/exercise, I would not hesitate to take nicotinic acid again.sj I was a short mentionK-tabs are they a safe TR form for potassium vs No Salt, wbick is K only!ThanksOn PaulingT4.30.14MI Stents11.3.16CABG4.17 EFwent 55,was35,Lpa <10 nowRunners high is backUp to 50g AABack to top slimjohn #8 Posted : 11 days agoslimjohnRank: Advanced MemberMedals: Century Award: 100+ posts!Joined: 7/20/2012Posts: 2,477ManUnited StatesLocation: Southern Plains, USAThanks: 237 timesWas thanked: 1117 time(s) in 778 post(s) I have no experience with K-tab which is potassium chloride (KCl) extended release formulation. "Safe" is a relative term since it depends on your own need for potassium as well as the supplement. I really can't speak to its safety or even if the extended release is at constant rate or not, so best to check with the manufacturer. As for salt which is sodium chloride (NaCL). If you suspect a potassium deficiency it might be best to check with doctor since there may be othere associated issues.Since I exercise and do monthly 5-day mimicking fasting I take Sunergetic Premium Electrolyte Formula. So, I get potassium and other electrolytes in a capsule instead of electrolyte drinks or even sweetened electrolyte drinks.Well, we have wandered a bit off the topic -- okay but would like to keep the topic on the rails (i.e., mitochondria and arterial calcification). :-)sj Edited by user 11 days ago | Reason: typosBack to top pamoja #9 Posted : 10 days agopamojaRank: Advanced MemberJoined: 10/13/2012Posts: 213AustriaThanks: 91 timesWas thanked: 34 time(s) in 30 post(s) Quote:Well, we have wandered a bit off the topic -- okay but would like to keep the topic on the rails (i.e., mitochondria and arterial calcification). :-)Electrolytes or mass minerals are important to mitochondria and arterial health too. Water too. So give me just a minute or two.. Found I need at least 2.4 g/d of oral Magnesium to keep pain-full muscle cramps away. About the same supplemented Potassium to just keep it in the optimal range. At the moment at 3 g of supplemental sodium, still my lab test certify I'm still short on it, as with the Mg.Now there is a reason why Potassium is limited to 99mg in supplement, because in high concentration it could cause serious damage to the stomach walls. Therefore recommend to get higher amounts of supplemental Potassium always as powder (citrate, bicarbonate, chloride) very well dissolved in a glass water. I wouldn't trust any Potassium slow release formulation on that.Back to top thanks 1 user thanked pamoja for this useful post. slimjohn on 3/31/2018Quick Reply Show Quick Reply Tag as favoriteNew TopicPost ReplyHeart LifeTalk » ADVANCED TOPICS » Cell & Mitochondria Health » Back to the Future: Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) and Arterial CalcificationForum Jump You can post new topics in this forum.You can reply to topics in this forum.You can delete your posts in this forum.You can edit your posts in this forum.You cannot create polls in this forum.You can vote in polls in this forum.Powered by YAF | YAF © 2003-2018, Yet Another Forum.NETThis page was generated in 0.911 seconds.
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Post Number:#11  Post by guitarplayer007 » Sat Apr 07, 2018 4:47 pm

I take everything that's in the book that Owen wrote

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Post Number:#12  Post by pamojja » Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:02 am

guitarplayer007 wrote:I take everything that's in the book that Owen wrote


In August last year you said on being asked, that you use what Dr. Rath recommends in his book. After which the enormous differences to Linus Pauling's therapy was pointed out to. Therefore, the longest time you could've taken Linus Pauling therapy till now is 7 months.

As already pointed out many times before, that might not cut it if it is very severe. In my severe case it took almost as many years to reverse a 60% walking-disabilty. Though already after 1 year I had clear sign of progress (intermittent claudication having improved from 3-400 meter to being able to walk 1 hour).

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Post Number:#13  Post by guitarplayer007 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:54 am

I take all the supplement LP says to take as well as what Rath recommends. I average between 15 and 20 grams of vitamin C a day. Maybe it's my fillings,my root canals who the hell knows anymore. I guess when I first started after reading all the testomonials I thought I would feel a difference quickly, boy was I wrong

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Post Number:#14  Post by skwoodwiva » Sun Apr 08, 2018 10:48 pm

guitarplayer007 wrote:I take all the supplement LP says to take as well as what Rath recommends. I average between 15 and 20 grams of vitamin C a day. Maybe it's my fillings,my root canals who the hell knows anymore. I guess when I first started after reading all the testomonials I thought I would feel a difference quickly, boy was I wrong

I am divorcing , not related, well yea it is, to my better health, no more enablers in my life lol...

Anyway I will use the property settlement to go to the best LA school where thet want gold patients because no one in LA ever wants gold & they must train...cheap for me!

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Post Number:#15  Post by sammy12345 » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:28 am

High lysine to arginine ratio which is found in casein, and meat protein actually causes atherosclerosis. The opposite ratio is found in fish, which is the healthiest protein, and soy, and plant protein in general which is also healthy. And it might be the palmitic acid to oleic acid ratio in dairy, and meat that causes disease which is a different ratio to what is found in high fat plant foods such as nuts. Just replace all meat with fish, and other seafood if wanting to still eat animal flesh plus the wide variety of fresh fruit, vegetables, nuts, seeds, each day. Super foods high in most essential nutrients are rice bran cereal, brewers/bakers yeast, wheat germ, wheat bran, and not as high in b vitamins as yeast or rice bran, but high in vitamin c, and k is wheat grass.


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