Vitamin C Forum

A diet supplying 20 grams of protein provides approximately 1 gram (1000 mg) of L-Lysine, an amino acid building block of protein. That already gives me minimum apptox 5 gram Lysine...what was Paulings take on this? I assume he took this in consideration with his Lysine recommendation.

On can be certain that when Linus Pauling recommended a nutrient in a certain amount, that he would mean additional to that already gotten from diet. Otherwise I'm sure he would have advised first to calculate one's nutrient-intake from food first. As that could be very different for everyone.

I calculated once for 3 years my nutrient-intake, and in my example only get about 3.4 g of lysine, but 3.3 g of proline everyday from foods. So nutrients from foods can vary widely. Additional individual requirement can vary due to genetic differences (and microbiome, specific deficiencies, preconditions, etc.). Therefore dosage recommendations can only be taken as a rough guideline.

Thank you

zarfas wrote:so why wouldnt the proline/lysine also include food?

His recommendation was only meant as guideline for experimenting. If the 6 g/d of lysine recommendation would be that precise, then as the conscientious scientist he was, he would recommended first to evaluate how much of lysine one already gets from food. Like in the example, I get 3.4 g from food, would only need 2.6 g. An other getting double than me from food would need none. Needs are highly individual, just as body-weights.

https://youtu.be/7c4lwRhvI2E

Actually remember one anecdote, where 3 grams of lysine didn't help with exercise intolerance of one patient, Pauling recommended to double the dose, which worked miraculously. Guess the 6 g recommendation came from that one anecdote.

Sorry, don't understand this either...it is possibly the English...the first 2 sentences seem contradictory...maybe I am just dense. I think he just recommends 6000 regardless of amt from food...the amt from food is bonus...no upper limit then? Experimenting??

In the video I just linked to Pauling says for someone healthy already 2 grams of lysine could be enough to prevent CVD. Someone with already heard-attack or 3 bypasses, would need much more lysine. Here with preconditions he encourages to experiment with higher amounts. In other videos he mentions 5-6 grams of lysine a day with preconditions.

Again, someone with 140 kg of body-weight, with multiple bypasses simply may need much, much more than an other without bypasses and 70 kg only. Everyone has to experiment to find the doses which work for one.

Even though I weight 60 kg only, when I started Pauling Therapy 9 years ago I slowly increased the doses of vitamin C and lysine. After 1 year I reached about 6 gram for both, and at that point my intermittent-claudication symptoms greatly improved. For me a sign that 6 g lysine additional to food would be just the right dose.

Other additional conditions made me increase the vitamin C dose gradually much further. And found the most benefit that way at about 23 g for me. However, the amounts I found which would work for me might not work for another. Experiment.

bzmazu wrote:...no upper limit then? Experimenting??

The upper limit is where side-effects (gastrointestinal discomfort) overweight the health-benefits. This sweet-spot is individual and has to be found by oneself. For which Pauling gives guidelines.

Here an other seemingly contradicting guideline from Pauling in his book:

Take vitamin E every day, 400 IU, 800 IU, or 1600 IU.

But only contradicting if one completely ignores that we all have different bio-chemical individuality. Different severe preconditions, completely different weight, diet, genetics, lifestyle... etc.

Thank you pamojja for the time and effort to explain...I get it...now it would help to check/test my heart/arteries, to see if the therapy improves anything...but medical testing here in Belize is primitive...ultrasound? lpa test, if I can find?...had stroke 5 years ago, changed my habits...now EKG shows strong heart of someone half my age (73) BP 117/72...no indications of any heart trouble at all, but sure I have atherosclerosis...I believe in the Pauling Therapy and have started it.

Thanks zarfas...Yes, have studied K extensively...I take the Life Ex one several times a week and I take topical MK-4... 5 mg the other days...

RE K2...."The large scale clinical trials are mostly with MK-4. The Japanese also have access to MK-7 and can produce it a lot more cheaply than MK-4 by using nato. Yet, they still went with MK-4. Most of the MK-7 trials so far are sponsored by either cheese or nato industry groups. There is notable lack of studies comparing MK-7 and MK-4. Probably because MK-4 will be found superior or at least as good as MK-7. The trials so far on MK-7 focus on comparisons with K1, which we know is inferior to the menaquinones. MK-4 is also the form used by the humans for functions such as electron transport carrier and co-factor for the carboxylation of osteocalcin. MK-7 is at best a surrogate for MK-4." https://raypeatforum.com/community/thre ... mk7.13828/

I take http://www.k-vitamins.com/. Lots of literature there.