Dear Dr. Fonorow,
have written you last July 2007regarding my husbands heart condition.. We are the ones from the Philippines, and it is my husband who was diagnosed last July to have 80% blockage on his 2 majorarteries and 50% on the other artery.. I have ordered lots of Ascorsine from you, some was shipped directly to Manila but the rest I had to use our friend from California to do theordering and shipping to not encounter a problem
from the customs especially shipping vitamins in a powder form. Before he was diagnosed, he never had any symptoms at all, that was why it came to us in a bit of shock.I still remember that you have informed me that his case was a typical vitamin C deficiency..Anyway, lately he started getting some chest tightness and we don't know if the tightness has something to do with his blockage.. His last blood (April 10, 2008) test was good. total Cholesterol at 188 mg/dl <br>(normal range 50-200), ;triglycerides at 39mg/dl (normal range 15-150), HDL at 44 mg/dl(norm range 40-60), LDL 127mg/dl (norm range 0-100) which is a bit high, Fibrinogen at 347.2 mg/dl (norm range 153-377), Ferritin at 165.9Ng/ml (norm range 32-284), CRP is negative, serum homocysteine is 6.5 umol/l (norm range 5-15).
He's taking the ascorsine until now religiously.. This is really a big puzzle to us as to why he's getting the tightness and it actually started a couple of months ago.. Is the tightness part of the healing &crisis or is it possible he's getting worse?? He's afraid to go to the doctor now just in case his condition is getting worse and doctors might tell him that he needs to be opened up. That's he last thing he wants to do now.. He has been on the vitamins for almost 9 months &already and we're actually starting to believe that blockage should be less by now but why does he get the tightness now that he never had before..
Have you ever encountered a case like this before?
Your reply will be greatly appreciated..
Thank You Very Much,
> Dear Dr. Fonorow,
>
> Thank You for your reply!! Very very Much Appreciated..
> Answers in red letters after your questions..
>
>
> On 04 30, 08, at 10:16 PM, Owen R. Fonorow & Associates wrote:
What is the dosage of A-9? How much other vitamin C are you giving him?
> My husband is taking 2 tablespoons of A9 and in between he takes
> Vitamin C tablets.. He totals about 9000mg of Vitamin C..
> Before when he started with the vitamins Protocol he was up to 18,000
> mg of Vitamin C with no bowel problems but after a while when he
> started having problems with the bowel tolerance we started lessening
> his Vit. C intake until we get to this level which is just about right
> though sometimes he still gets a bit of a bowel problem.
>
Remind me of his age, drugs, potential toxicity issues such as dental work. And other nutrients he is taking.
>
> He is now 55 years old. he doesn't take any drugs at all. He only had
> one filling on his teeth that was just done about 3 years ago. He
> takes lots of other vitamins together with the A9. Let me enumerate
> them for you so it's clearer:
>
> UPON AWAKENING: He takes 1 capsule of garlic oil, 2 caps of L
> carnitine and 2 caps of Nattokinase.
>
> BREAKFAST : 1 gel of Unique E, 1 tab of Vitacor (Dr. Rath's multi
> vit.), 1 cap. grapeseed extract, 1 cap. of pycnogenol, 1 tab. of
> Illioforte (Dr. Rath's vit. for stomach problem), 2
> caps of Krill oil, 1 cap. of CoQ(100mg), 1 cap. of
> Gluthamine (for his stomach problem), and 1 cap. of Natural prostate.
>
> 10AM: 1 cap. of Vitamin C (750mg)
>
> LUNCH : 1 cap. of illioforte, 1 cap of vitacor, 1 cap of omega 369, 1
> cap of potassium, 1 cap of bilberry
>
> 3PM: 1tab of aspirin (30mg), 1 tab of zinc, 1 cap. of carnitine, 1
> vit. c (750mg)
>
> DINNER: 1 tab. of nattokinase, i tab of illioforte, 1 tab of vitacor,
> 1 cap. of gluthamine, 1 cap. of omega 369, 1 tab of natural prostate,
> 1 tab. of B complex, 1 tab of niacin, 1 tab of
> pycnogenol.
>
> 9PM: L arginine (3,000 mg), L citrulline (1,000 mg)
>
> BEFORE BEDTIME: 6 Tablets of chlorella, 1 tablet of Vita c forte (Dr.
> Rath's fat soluble vit. C)
>
> He also takes 1 tablespoon of extra virgin olive oil during lunch and
> 1 table spoon of fish oil for dinner and he does I.V. chelation once a
> week and an I.V. of Phosphatidylcholine once a week.
>>
Did he experience any relief, did he feel any better ever, (or has he generally been symptom free?) This "tugging" is it related to anything, such as exertion? Or is it random? How often?
>
> Before we found out about the blockage, he never had any symptoms
> except he easily gets tired.. When we started with the vitamins he
> actually felt better like he doesn't get tired that much anymore but
> he started having chest tightness which he never had before. He would
> usually have it at the beginning of his exercise or walk. Like when
> bikes he would have it at the beginning then it will disappear after a
> few minutes, then he just continues with his biking and that goes too
> when he goes walking. Usually they happen when there's a workout.
> Lately, the tightness is happening less and less. But yesterday, after
> he had his lunch of grilled mackerel from a japanese restaurant, going
> down the stairs he started getting the tightness that stayed with him
> for 30 minutes that's why we got really alarmed. Today, we tried to go
> slight walking and hiking on a mountain, he didn't have any tightness.
> So It's really puzzling us what's happening..
>>
>>
I would NOT stop the A-9, but i WOULD start taking at least 500 mg of vitamin C (such as a 500 mg table of ascorbic acid) every 4 hours between A-9 dosages, while we figure this out.
>
> Yes, I agree with you. I would not stop the A9. Our concern though is
> if I add again vit. C, he gets loose stool and we're worried that all
> the vitamins he's taking just goes with it. We tried several times and
> the moment we get to about 10,000 plus mg. of vitamin C he gets loose
> stool already.
>>
If here were taking 2 servings of A-9, he would be getting 6000 mg of
vitamin C. Well, depending on his diet, etc., he might require 10,000,20,000 mg and in rare cases, 60,000 mg of vitamin C for the best of health.
>
> He gets 2 servings of A9 now. His diet is relatively all fish, baked,
> boiled or grilled, and organic chicken (white meat) 2X a week only. We
> don't fry, drink softdrinks or eat any junkfood at all. He doesn't
> smoke, nor drink. We eat mostly blanched organic vegetables and he
> drinks fresh vegetables juice too once in a while. We sleep early
> about 10pm and wake up at about 7 am.. he sleeps well too without any
> sleeping pills at all.
>
>>
>>
On the other side, his numbers are all good. (I can't believe they
list 50 as the low for total cholesterol. Are you sure that isn't 150 mg/
dl, as he would be dead if his cholesterol was only 50.)
>
> His total cholesterol is 188 mg/dl( normal range is 50 - 200)
>>
>>
Depending on his age, and love for carbs, I might make additional suggestions.
>
> He doesn't eat carbohydrates that much, except for brown rice that is
> fried without any oil which is very seldom. His source of
> carbohydrates are mostly complex from green leafy to beans to all
> kinds of vegetables. He's 5'10 1/2" and he weights only 141lbs.
> Basically he's quite thin for his height. We would appreciate
> suggestions from you. We really want to make everything right.
>
> Thanks You So Very Much,
Dear Dr. Fonorow,
THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN!!
Below are my answers after your Questions!
On 05 1, 08, at 10:14 PM, Owen R. Fonorow & Associates wrote:
>
> Good description, and excellent regimen.
> Glad to hear that.. We just combined everything we read and
> researched hoping it will work.
>
> After the first reading (and I'll post this anonymously at the forum
> vitamincfoundation.org/forum -> heart disease) there are several
> things
> I would eliminate to see if the tightness dissappears.
We would be glad if you post this to the forum, So i can monitor too
if other people would give recommendations. We would also welcome very much your recommendations on which one has to be eliminated since we really are just trying our best hoping that whatever we do will work..
>
>
> These are the substances that are not "orthomolecular" in that they
> are not normally molecules the body knows how to deal with. I would
> wean them slowly.. Cut the dosage by 1/3 then 1/2 then every other
> day, etc. Then go for 10 days without them and let me know if his
> tightness stops, stays the same or gets worse.
>
> I would eliminate for this test:
>
> Nattokinase: He takes 4 tablets, total of 200 mg daily. I already
> took out 1 tablet in the morning and 1 tablet in the evening. I will
> take out the other 2 in span of 2 weeks.
> Aspirin: As of today, we took it out already..
> pycnogenol: He takes 2 tablets/day, total of 100mg, but we already
> took out the morning tablet and we will eliminate the other tablet
> maybe after a week.
>
> For example, vitamin C is used up "detoxifying" aspirin. (There are
> a couple of other things I might also eliminate, but you should try
> this first.) A gut feeling tells me this will correct his problem.
Thank You!
>
>
> Can you tell me WHY he is taking citrulline?
I combine the citrulline with his Arginine following the the book
of Dr. Ignarro (Say NO to heart Disease) for the Nitric Oxide. His
recommendation from the book is a combination of 5,000mg of L
arginine and 1,000mg of L citrulline.
>
>
> From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrulline
>
> Patients with rheumatoid arthritis often (at least 80% of them)
> develop an immune response against proteins containing citrulline.
> Although the origin of this immune response is not known, detection
> of antibodies reactive with citrulline containing proteins or
> peptides is now becoming an important help in the diagnosis of
> rheumatoid arthritis.
Thanks for the info.. Should I take out the Citrulline too?
>
>
> Back to A-9, I wonder if 2 tablespoons is one or two servings of
> A-9? I think
> they use scoops so 2 scoops would require 2 jars per month, (Is he on
> 2 jars per month?) but it is good news that his bowel tolerance for
> vitamin
> C has fallen. To me that is an indicator that his health has
> improved.
Yes, he's on the 2 jars per month. He takes 4 scoops (2 tablespoons) a
day. He takes, 1 scoop for breakfast, 1 scoop for lunch and 2 scoops
for dinner. It serves as his drink. I also believe that his tolerance
for the vitamin C is an indication of his improvement, since he used
to take almost 20,000 mg with/out bowel tolerance..
>
>
> As far as the filling, is it a mercury amalgam? Even one filling
> could
> potentially be causing a toxicity that drains vitamin C. I might
> look
> into the Lypo-C product livonlabs.com as an additional C supplement
> for later in the day. No gas/diarrhea and one packet is bio-
> equivalent
> to several grams of ordinary vitamin C. Also, the "recommended"
> Uniqu-E
> dosage is around 2000 iu, but that is to regenerate 'damaged hearts.'
His filling is composite. I will try to order the Lypo C products from
Livon labs again. I actually ordered before but I guess I ordered a
lot that most of it became stale. I didn't put them in the
refrigerator thinking it would be OK but I guess the hot climate of
our country made it stale very fast. Is the Vita C forte (fat soluble
vit. C from Dr. Rath) OK too? Do I increase the dosage of his unique
E?? He only takes 1 capsule of unique E (400iu) since most of the
other vitamins he takes has vit. E, like the A9. His total intake of
Vitamin E from all the vitamins he's taking is 1,374 IU.
>
>
> So in summary, I wonder about 3 or 4 "nonorthomolecular" supplements
> he
> is taking and would be interested if eliminating them eliminates his
> tightness.
>
> One final question, what is the dosage of the CoQ10 he is taking?
He is currently taking the super ubiquinol from Life Extension 100
mg but if I combine the rests of the vitamins, his total intake is 127
mg.
I forgot to mention yesterday that he also takes 100 mg of Alpha
Lipoic Acid per day. He gets an injection of Glutathione twice a week
too. Plus I want to add the life extension Blueberry extract with
pomegranate & cocoagold for his additional supplements, and the life
extension DHEA vitamin since his saliva test showed that he needed to
take DHEA supplements, is that OK?
Thank You So Very Much! We're so grateful that a Doctor is guiding us
now with all these vitamin supplements. Very very much appreciated.
DHEA is okay (and orthomolecular)
The Nitric Oxide is also created by other aminos including lysine
so I wouldn't be taking the Citrulline myself, at least until this
is solved.
Nor the pomegranate & cocoagold - too many herb-like things that
he could be reacting too. (For example, it can be dangerous for some
people to eat grapefruit if you are on a statin drug.)
Hope to post today. More at the forum
Owen
