Geting your Vit C & Magnesium all at once?

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Geting your Vit C & Magnesium all at once?

Post Number:#1  Post by rmb60 » Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:08 am

This will be a question for a LabRat or Owen type -- someone with a chemical knowledge or similar.

By mixing pure Ascorbic Acid & Magnesium Hydroxide powders you get Magnesium Ascorbate ?

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http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med. ... 926cdfcf4c

When you add alkaline substances like milk of magnesia or sodium
bicarbonate to acidic ascorbic acid, a chemical reaction occurs.
The milky-colored magnesium hydroxide reacts to form magnesium
ascorbate and the solution turns from white to clear. The sodium
bicarbonate reacts to form sodium ascorbate and the solution
fizzes from the carbon dioxide gas which is released.

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What amounts of each would you need?

The Magnesium Hydroxide reduces the acidty of the Ascorbic Acid but the still slightly acid liquid would help the absorption of the Magnesium.

For someone who takes a lot of ascorbic acid at a time the reduced acidity c/- magnesium hydroxide plus the bonus of magnesium at the same time is very pleasing & helpful?

Any response would be appreciatted.

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Post Number:#2  Post by rmb60 » Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:15 am

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med. ... 756758ec51

I use magnesium oxide (or hydroxide) to neutralize the acidity of
the ascorbic acid that I take between meals. Ascorbic acid is the
cheapest form of C gram for gram, but it is too tart for my taste.
One third of an equivalent knocks the acidity down substantially and
gives me magnesium in the process. The vitamin C solution turns
cloudy at first (like when you stir milk of magnesia into a glass of
water), but in less than a minute the cloudiness has almost
completely cleared. If you use magnesium oxide, courser powders can
take longer than a minute to completely react.

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Just another addition to my abbove post.

Starting to sound like a good idea.

Has anyone else tried similar?

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Post Number:#3  Post by Lab Rat » Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:10 am

Hi rmb60,

Just as a crude estimate 58 g of magnesium hydroxide (Mg(OH)2) combined with 352 g of ascorbic acid (ASC) would produce 374 g of magnesium ascorbate(MgASC). Milk of magnesia (MOM) would not be the same as the Mg(OH)2 here. It has been hydrated with water. Estimates are that 1 tsp of MOM contains 400 mg Mg(OH)2. So, 1 tsp MOM combined with 2,400 mg ASC (1/2 Teaspoon ~ 2g ) should make 2,600 mg MgASC. If you are going to make your own, I think you will have to do some experimenting with the quantities. Please keep us posted with your progress.

If it were me, I would buy MgASC.
http://store.yahoo.com/iherb/magascorb.html

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Magnesium and Acorbate

Post Number:#4  Post by ofonorow » Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:21 am

No doubt these two substances are both very nutritious and important, however, I am not sure that creating Magnesium-Ascorbate has a benefit over taking both supplements individually.

Sherry Lewin, on the last pages of VITAMIN C: Its Biology and Medical Potential recommends both Vitamin C and Magnesium Hydroxide, but interestingly, separately as a means (theoretical) for reducing arterial plaques.

Sherry Lewin wrote:9.4.4.3. Dosage

The daily ascorbic dose should compreise three times daily each about 1 g. The magnesium can be conveniently taken as magnesium hydroxide, and should be about 0.15 g three times daily. Larger doses of magnesium hydroxide (e.g. 0.3 to 0.6 g a single dose) can be taken by individuals suffering from acidity; however over-dosage of acid-neutralizing substances should be avoided so as not to induce development of alkalosis. Magnesium citrate can be taken in some what larger equivalent doses, but this salt is not available usually in B.P. or equivalent grades.

It must be emphasized that the magnesium/ascorbate should be administered with protein meals - for the reasons given**. One convenient way is to take one of the doses with warm milk before sleep


**My understanding of the reason Lewin recommended taking ascorbate with protein (amino acid) is because amino acids can chelate AA making it more absorbable, while carbohydrates in the gut lead to the breakdown of AA.
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magnesium, magnesium ascorbate

Post Number:#5  Post by Ralph Lotz » Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:01 am

Magnesium Ascorbate is available from Source Naturals. However it is very hygroscopic and lumps up easily if the humidity is high.

Given the importance of magnesium in over 300 enzyme systems, I have been recommending magnesium supplements for over 20 years.
The best bang for the buck is Ultra-Mag from Source Naturals. Each tablet provides 200 mg of magnesium as magnesium citrate,taurinate, glycinate, malate and succinate along with 25 mg of B6.
http://vitamincstore.com/ecommerce/os/c ... cts_id/235

Magnesium Oxide is not well absorbed.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... &DB=pubmed

Three good sites for magnesium info:
http://www.knowledgeofhealth.com/report ... en%20death
http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html
http://www.mgwater.com/
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Re: Geting your Vit C & Magnesium all at once?

Post Number:#6  Post by musashie » Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:31 am

I am currently on 20000mg/day of C mixed with a Ionic Magnesium Citrate of 400mg. Fractured foot. Usual other supplements included D3. Taking 12mg of Astaxanthin also. Any one any views on mixing the above 2ltr bottle a drink every 30 min.

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Re: Magnesium and Acorbate

Post Number:#7  Post by skwoodwiva » Wed Jan 03, 2018 12:44 am

ofonorow wrote:No doubt these two substances are both very nutritious and important, however, I am not sure that creating Magnesium-Ascorbate has a benefit over taking both supplements individually.

Sherry Lewin, on the last pages of VITAMIN C: Its Biology and Medical Potential recommends both Vitamin C and Magnesium Hydroxide, but interestingly, separately as a means (theoretical) for reducing arterial plaques.

[quote="Sherry
It must be emphasized that the magnesium/ascorbate should be administered with protein meals - for the reasons given**. One convenient way is to take one of the doses with warm milk before sleep
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Owen, do you think such a night dose would persist better than straight AA?

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Re: Geting your Vit C & Magnesium all at once?

Post Number:#8  Post by zarfas » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:47 am

musashie wrote:I am currently on 20000mg/day of C mixed with a Ionic Magnesium Citrate of 400mg. Fractured foot. Usual other supplements included D3. Taking 12mg of Astaxanthin also. Any one any views on mixing the above 2ltr bottle a drink every 30 min.

sounds good
I'd add in some vit k2

on this site and Dr levy have said use:
Super K with Advanced K2 Complex

https://kresserinstitute.com/vitamin-k2 ... ng-enough/
Vitamin K-dependent osteocalcin binds calcium to deposit in bone. MGP limits the sizes of calcium phosphate crystals to properly fit them into the bone matrix. (10) Because bone is constantly being formed and resorbed throughout our lives, adequate vitamin K intake is necessary for bone health.


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