I keep seeing this Dr. on youtube saying

What is vitamin C? Is there such a thing as a vitamin C complex? Why do so many people now believe in the complex?

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I keep seeing this Dr. on youtube saying

Post Number:#1  Post by guitarplayer007 » Wed May 10, 2017 9:14 am

He's never seen anyone cured of heart disease by using Vitamin C as Ascorbic Acid... That's its not really vitamin C is in this form...Then I keep hearing other Dr's say it doesn't matter if its natural or Synthetic its the same Vitamin C. I can't believe Dr's can have different opinions on what the hell Vitamin C really is. Yet in Dr. Rath's book and videos he calls it Ascorbic Acid...... These people make me nuts, and you have Dr. Levy saying you have to remove all filling,root canals and dental implants if you want to reverse heart disease with Vitamin C. Then you have Dr. Jeffrey Dach saying if yo have low testosterone you need to take supplements because low T increases calcium in the arteries....This S*&T never ends I feel like its a losing battle to figure it out.:(
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Re: I keep seeing this Dr. on youtube saying

Post Number:#2  Post by zarfas » Wed May 10, 2017 1:43 pm

guitarplayer007 wrote:He's never seen anyone cured of heart disease by using Vitamin C as Ascorbic Acid... That's its not really vitamin C is in this form...Then I keep hearing other Dr's say it doesn't matter if its natural or Synthetic its the same Vitamin C. I can't believe Dr's can have different opinions on what the hell Vitamin C really is. Yet in Dr. Rath's book and videos he calls it Ascorbic Acid...... These people make me nuts, and you have Dr. Levy saying you have to remove all filling,root canals and dental implants if you want to reverse heart disease with Vitamin C. Then you have Dr. Jeffrey Dach saying if yo have low testosterone you need to take supplements because low T increases calcium in the arteries....This S*&T never ends I feel like its a losing battle to figure it out.:(
Ken

the science proves you need vitC/Aa/ascorbic Acid to make collagen
without collagen to remodel/patch up arteries(which are made of collagen) the body will us LPa
calcium does go to arteries and helps make them hard, this is talked about a lot in Death by calcium(dr levy) who explains why you need vit K2

yeah, low Testrone can cause issues with insulin sensitvity, and get you fat(you cant get fat if you dont overeat)

so here's what you do
-lose fat get to 10-15% bodyfat(most important)
-go lift weights,
walk a lot
-eat plant based diet(no dairy, no meat)

-take lysine/proline,
vit k2,
mg,
5+grams vit C.-pauling therapy
take vit D to get blood levels of 60 ng/ml-100ng/ml
b vtamins


-eat foods like
garlic
onions
grapefruit
spinach
broccoli
tomatos
fermented foods(pickels/Sauerkraut )
pomegrante
berries
tumeric
cinnimon
eggwhites

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Post Number:#3  Post by guitarplayer007 » Wed May 10, 2017 1:53 pm

I followed McDougall starch solution for 6 months but lost my mind after a while. So you believe a plant based diet reverses heart disease? I had the Esselstyn book prevent and reverse heart disease. It's very strick, no oil of any kind, no dairy, no animals. It has shown to work that's why I'm confused. The vitamin c Dr.said claim cholesterol can't be the reason for heart disease. But they also make sense if it truly was cholesterol we should gave blockages everywhere not just the few center meters of the heart. I'm taking about 18000 MG of C vitamin k plus some of the other nutrients Dr. Rath recommends.
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Post Number:#4  Post by zarfas » Thu May 11, 2017 12:01 am

guitarplayer007 wrote:I followed McDougall starch solution for 6 months but lost my mind after a while. So you believe a plant based diet reverses heart disease? I had the Esselstyn book prevent and reverse heart disease. It's very strick, no oil of any kind, no dairy, no animals. It has shown to work that's why I'm confused. The vitamin c Dr.said claim cholesterol can't be the reason for heart disease. But they also make sense if it truly was cholesterol we should gave blockages everywhere not just the few center meters of the heart. I'm taking about 18000 MG of C vitamin k plus some of the other nutrients Dr. Rath recommends.
Ken


plant based diet reverses heart disease,...why?
because its plants?

nah, because its full of vitamin C and other nutrients and low in fat

why are you confused?

vit K or k2? they arent the same thing
what else are you taking?

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Post Number:#5  Post by ofonorow » Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:46 am

It is difficult for doctors and the average person to believe that a vitamin C deficiency is the cause of America's number one killer. And the fix is in, because as you often repeat, studies could (and should) have been done that would provide strong evidence one way or the other. However, these studies would wind up bankrupting medicine and big pharma - so they ain't gonna happen. Without published studies, how are doctors to know any more than you do?

What I learned early, without a background in nutrition (my field was computer science) was that I could rely on Linus Pauling. At the time he wrote HOW TO LIVE LONGER AND FEEL BETTER, the nutritionists were advising against eggs - because they contained the evil cholesterol, etc. Pauling's book, republished in 1986, can be relied upon. It is a wonderful foundation for nutritional knowledge, especially on the nature of vitamin C. Of course at that time, while Pauling suspected a relationship between heart disease and vitamin C deficiency, that wasn't proven to his satisfaction. That happened latter, around 1989 - after Rath brought the Lp(a) "news" to Pauling from Germany, and they ran the guinea pig experiments at the Pauling Institute that showed Lp(a) levels are related to vitamin C intake/blood levels.


p.s. a link to that doctor on youtube would be helpful - as I would be happy to add a comment :D
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Post Number:#6  Post by zarfas » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:16 am

ofonorow wrote:
What I learned early, without a background in nutrition (my field was computer science) was that I could rely on Linus Pauling. At the time he wrote HOW TO LIVE LONGER AND FEEL BETTER, the nutritionists were advising against eggs - because they contained the evil cholesterol, etc.

I thought whole eggs should be avoided if you have high CRP test...C-reactive protein (CRP) is a protein that the liver makes when there is inflammation in the body. because whole eggs contain lots of pro-inflammatory arachidonic acid, which might increase inflammation IF you arent getting enough Omega-3s
yeah, otherwise, go eat your eggs,, the issue for heart disease is not fat.





ofonorow wrote: Pauling's book, republished in 1986, can be relied upon. It is a wonderful foundation for nutritional knowledge, especially on the nature of vitamin C. Of course at that time, while Pauling suspected a relationship between heart disease and vitamin C deficiency, that wasn't proven to his satisfaction. That happened latter, around 1989 - after Rath brought the Lp(a) "news" to Pauling from Germany, and they ran the guinea pig experiments at the Pauling Institute that showed Lp(a) levels are related to vitamin C intake/blood levels.

what is the best test to see if pauling therapy is working? Calcium score? lp(a) test? something else?


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