Synthetic vitamin C, or ascorbic acid, kills beneficial prob

What is vitamin C? Is there such a thing as a vitamin C complex? Why do so many people now believe in the complex?

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Synthetic vitamin C, or ascorbic acid, kills beneficial prob

Post Number:#1  Post by ofonorow » Wed May 01, 2013 8:34 am

http://www.naturalnews.com/z040147_vitamin_C_ascorbic_acid_synthetic_vitamins.html
Synthetic vitamin C, or ascorbic acid, kills beneficial probiotic bacteria in the gut and cannot confer vitamin activity in the body

Here we go again..

my submission to Natural News
We at the Vitamin C Foundation are concerned that the once highly respected Natural News would publish provably false information about vitamin C. Almost every sentence in this article has false statements or other errors. It is nothing short of an outright lie, and we wonder how such a thing could have gotten past Natural News editors? Long ago we published a White Paper to attempt to keep the record straight about vitamin C - ascorbic acid. (If Vitamin C isn't ascorbic acid, then you have to deal with the idea that 2-time Nobel prize winning chemist Linus Pauling was entirely wrong.) See: http://vitamincfoundation.org/NaturalC.htm


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Re: Synthetic vitamin C, or ascorbic acid, kills beneficial

Post Number:#2  Post by ofonorow » Sun May 05, 2013 12:18 pm

Using the references in this NN article, we are visiting web sites with the same erroneous information.
http://www.realvitaminc.com/ascorbic-acid.html
First, here is my first contact for the record.


We found your pages after they were referenced by an erroneous article recently published at NaturalNews.com. I am sure you have an interest in promoting truthful information and we at the Vitamin C Foundation.org are willing to help correct the factual errors on your web pages about vitamin C - ascorbic acid. If what you say were true, then there should be examples of patients hospitalized with comas who are kept alive with your version of Vitamin C. Unfortunately, all comatose patients are kept alive with ascorbic acid, otherwise they die of scurvy.


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Are Ascorbic Acid and Vitamin C Identical?

Despite popular belief, they are not structurally identical.

If this assertion is accurate, then Linus Pauling was wrong. Of course, this assertion is false. Source: How To Live Longer and Feel Better, Linus Pauling (1986)

Ascorbic acid does not grow on trees or plants. It cannot be grown on a farm. It is produced in a laboratory and is an artificial reduced form of the natural Vitamin C. One analogy to help you understand this is if you compare Vitamin C to an egg, ascorbic acid would be just the egg shell with nothing inside.

Ascorbic acid is grown inside trees and in almost every living thing grown on the farm, so aside from the logical inconsistency - the paragraph is entirely inaccurate. The argument is simple. Vitamin C is defined as that which prevents death by scurvy. Only ascorbic acid prevents and cures scurvy. This is proven in hospitals every day.

The Food & Drug Administration has permitted ascorbic acid to be identified as Vitamin C. This is why beverages, foods, and supplements which are fortified with ascorbic acid can say they contain this vitamin. Technically they do contain it, since according to the FDA, they’re allowed to call it that.

The FDA permits this because it is true.

How is ascorbic acid made?
Well it starts with corn syrup (that clear syrup that is nothing but refined pure corn sugar). Then follow these chemical steps:

Steps 1 thru 9 (Starch Hydrolysis): Corn starch is broken down into simple sugar (D-Glucose) by the action of heat and enzymes.
Step 10 (Hydrogenation): D-Glucose is converted into D-Sorbitol.
Step 11 (Fermentation): D-Sorbitol is converted into L-Sorbose.
Step 12 (Acetonation): Yes that's right, they use acetone! L-Sorbose is combined with an acid at low temperatures.
Step 13 (Oxidation): The product is then oxidized with a catalyst, acidified, washed and dried forming L-Gluconic Acid.
Step 14 (Hydrolysis): L-Gluconic Acid is treated with hydrochloric acid forming crude ascorbic acid.
Step 15 (Recrystallization): The crude ascorbic acid is filtered, purified and milled into a fine crystalline powder.

This finished product is not Vitamin C, but legally can be called so. Is this not very misleading to consumers? It is missing 80% of what makes up food grade Vitamin C!

While the manufacturing process is interesting, it is irrelevant if the final product is pure ascorbic acid, chemically designated as C6H8O6. The assertion that the finished product is not Vitamin C is false (See above - that which cures scurvy is by definition vitamin C.) The 80% is an interesting number made up out of whole cloth.

Why is ascorbic acid used instead of natural Vitamin C?

The C vitamin is a naturally occurring nutrient found in countless fruits and vegetables. However the problem is that when it is heated, the vitamin breaks down and becomes useless. So if you heat up your food, it’s gone. This really poses a problem when it comes to liquids like orange juice. Pasteurization (boiling to kill off bacteria) is required for virtually every beverage sold today in the United States.

Interesting, what gets broken down by heat? Rutin, tyrosine, copper, ... ? If vitamin C isn't ascorbic acid, what does heat have to do with it?

Ascorbic acid was invented as a synthetic version to replace the natural form which is destroyed by heat. So when you drink that glass of orange juice in the morning, you aren’t actually consuming natural Vitamin C. Rather, you are consuming synthetic ascorbic acid which was added to replace the original.


So even drinking orange juice isn't the "real" vitamin C..

The Nobel Prize winner Dr. Albert Szent-Georgi

Dr. Albert, who discovered Vitamin C, reportedly said that “ascorbic acid simply cannot confer vitamin activity.” Unfortunately, almost every supplement sold today only contain these fractional reproductions and not the whole food, natural form. Fortunately, Real C is available as a healthy alternative.

We'd love to see that "reported" reference as we have posted Dr Szent-Georgi's 1937 Nobel Prize lecture, where he of course says no such thing, in fact, quite the opposite.

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1937/szent-gyorgyi-lecture.pdf
Albert Szent-Georgi wrote:This was the first proof that ascorbic acid was identical with vitamin C.
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Re: Synthetic vitamin C, or ascorbic acid, kills beneficial

Post Number:#3  Post by ofonorow » Sun May 05, 2013 12:28 pm

Looking at Real C's products,
http://www.realvitaminc.com/ingredients.html

Assuming they went through the testing to determine how much vitamin C was in their serving - 125 mg (how was that tested again if ascorbic acid isn't vitamin C?) Maybe they are saying that they include 125 mg of "acerola cherry fruit, black currant fruit, orange fruit and grapefruit juice."? But lets give them the benefit of a doubt - that they have 125 mg of their magical, ill defined vitamin C per serving.

There are 90 servings, so at most the product contains 11.25 grams of vitamin C.

One bottle is $40 dollars.

That is over $3.55 cents per gram! (And you thought livonlabs.com Lypo-C was expensive!)

Maybe we are underpriced? We sell one jar 300 g of Vitamin C Foundation approved vitamin C for $26 on autoship.

At their price, realtivaminccom a 300 gram jar would sell for $1,065!!
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Re: Synthetic vitamin C, or ascorbic acid, kills beneficial

Post Number:#4  Post by ofonorow » Mon May 06, 2013 10:44 am

http://www.natural-health-and-healing.com/Natural_Alternatives-natural-alternatives-backissue3.html

Another reference, and unless they change it, they begin by offering your a "worm" welcome...

Here is the relevant vitamin C material, which at least is more detailed! The culprit behind the antibiotic claim has a name!
Alan Meyer, the founder of AGM Foods near Brisbane, Australia and a noted authority on microbes.
Here is a fact that may surprise many people.

Synthetic vitamin C, or ascorbic acid, will kill friendly microbes. This was noticed and repeatedly verified by Alan Meyer, the founder of AGM Foods near Brisbane, Australia and a noted authority on microbes.

Alan was following an old recipe to produce some sort of fermented apple concoction. The recipe called for apple juice. Alan purchased a bottle of organic apple juice. According to the label, there was nothing in it but organic apples. Yet it killed the microbes. Several times this happened. Alan then called the manufacturer, and after questioning he discovered that ascorbic acid had been added to the organic apple juice as a preservative because it kills bacteria and is cheap. Unfortunately, it does not simply kill bad bacteria, for it gets the good, the bad and the ugly.

Since that time, Alan has repeatedly verified that sufficient concentrations of synthetic vitamin C will kill our beneficial bacteria. There has been considerable controversy over the years as to whether synthetic vitamin C is a blessing or a curse. Its proponents claim all sorts of benefits from its use, while its critics attribute all sorts of damage to its use. Both sides can produce apparently sensible arguments. But based on the one fact that synthetic vitamin C will kill our friendly microbes, it would seem to me that the entire debate becomes quite pointless. Whether or not it is doing any direct harm to our own tissues, the fact that it is destroying our gut flora makes it indisputably detrimental to our health.


Off to google Alan Meyer!
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Re: Synthetic vitamin C, or ascorbic acid, kills beneficial

Post Number:#5  Post by ofonorow » Mon May 06, 2013 10:49 am

These same identical words are found over and over doing a google query - (there must be some type of copyright infringement) - but I cannot find out if an Alan Meyer even exists or lived or published anything about this? I would appreciate any help locating the writings of Alan Meyer!

Maybe I'll try to find the web site of that food maker in Australia..


So here is the source from AGM web site



http://www.agmfoods.com/contents/en-us/d3.html

Q: I read somewhere that ascorbic acid kills the beneficial bacteria in Grainfields. Does Rosehip tea have the same effect or is it safe?
Natural sources of Vitamin C such as Rosehips have great health benefits and no detrimental effects at all on the Lactobacilli or good gut flora in Grainfields. It is only the artificially made ascorbic acid that has been a problem in the past. Alan Meyer the formulator of Grainfields made the discovery years ago when trying to ferment some organic apple juice that the ascorbic acid it contained killed his microbes. Since then he has made improvements to make the bacteria more resistant to and able to survive the use of artificial forms of Vitamin C. However It is best to try and use natural sources of Vitamin C rather than artificial wherever possible.



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That raises the question, how are bacteria used for fermentation related to the friendly flora in the gut.
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