Unfortunately the 5he LP therapy is not working for me

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Unfortunately the 5he LP therapy is not working for me

Post Number:#1  Post by guitarplayer007 » Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:13 pm

I had such high hopes after watching his videos 100' of times but my disease and health are getting worse every day. My CVS night be to advanced to be helped by LP therapy.

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Post Number:#2  Post by zarfas » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:19 am

guitarplayer007 wrote:I had such high hopes after watching his videos 100' of times but my disease and health are getting worse every day. My CVS night be to advanced to be helped by LP therapy.

how do you know it's getting worse everyday?
what are you doing to treat your CAD?

what is CVS?

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Post Number:#3  Post by guitarplayer007 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 9:08 am

Meant CVD, taking Cardio C twice a day which is 5000mg of C and then china free VC for another 12 to 16000mg for a total of roughly 18 Grams of C.
Also taking all vitamin's recommended in the Dr. Raths book

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Post Number:#4  Post by guitarplayer007 » Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:47 am

Hmmm no response

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Post Number:#5  Post by francisunderwood » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:00 pm

How long have you been taking the cardio c?

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Post Number:#6  Post by pamojja » Thu Aug 03, 2017 3:48 am

guitarplayer007 wrote:Meant CVD, taking Cardio C twice a day which is 5000mg of C and then china free VC for another 12 to 16000mg for a total of roughly 18 Grams of C.
Also taking all vitamin's recommended in the Dr. Raths book


What are the individual differences in Dr. Rath's book to what Linus Pauling recommended in his '86 book?

How to Live Longer and Feel Better

  • Take vitamin C every day, 6 grams to 18 g (6000 to 18,000 milligrams), or more. Do not miss a single day.
  • Take vitamin E every day, 400 IU, 800 IU, or 1600 IU.
  • Take one or two Super-B tablets every day, to provide good amounts of the B-vitamins.
  • Take 25,000 IU vitamin A tablet every day.
  • Take a mineral supplement every day, such as one tablet of the Bronson vitamin-mineral formula, which provides 100 mg of calcium, 18 mg of iron, 0.15 mg of iodine, 1 mg of copper, 25 mg of magnesium, 3 mg of manganese, 15 mg of zinc, 0.015 mg of molybdenum, 0.015 mg of chromium, and 0.015 mg of selenium.
  • Keep your intake of ordinary sugar (sucrose, raw sugar, brown sugar, honey) to 50 pounds per year, which is half the present U.S. average. Do not add sugar to tea or coffee. Do not eat high-sugar foods. Avoid sweet desserts. Do not drink soft drink.
  • Except for avoiding sugar, eat what you like - but not too much of any one food. Eggs and meat are good foods. Also you should eat some vegetables and fruits. Do not eat so much food as to become obese.
  • Drink plenty of water every day.
  • Keep active; take some exercise. Do not at any time exert yourself physically to an extent far beyond what you are accustomed to.
  • Drink alcoholic beverages only in moderation.
  • Do not smoke cigarettes.
  • Avoid stress. Work at a job that you like. Be happy with your family.


Just to be clear, are you really following the whole of Pauling's recommendations? Or what you understand them to be by Dr. Rath's book? (which I haven't read and therefore can't know if or in what they differ)

Unfortunately the 5he LP therapy is not working for me


Don't misunderstand me to be overly critical, I too want to know why LP is working for some, and not for others. But till now I thought it not even possible it to be considered the 5th, since it is clearly defined by Linus Pauling: 'don't stop a single day!' How could this disregard for his advise even be considered LP therapy the 1st time?

By the way, it took me 6 years following LPT to get free from a 60% walking-disability from PAD. Though improvements were already there the 1st year. I never stopped once started.

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Post Number:#7  Post by guitarplayer007 » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:19 am

Yes I'm taking all supplements recommended for advanced CVD in Dr. Raths book. I have to keep reminding myself that in his book he states it can take 6 months just to stop plaque growth. I've been on it for 4 and a half months.... maybe in 12 months I'll have another calcium score and see it it's been reduced.

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Post Number:#8  Post by guitarplayer007 » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:29 am

Or maybe my Angina will be gone when doing low intensity exercise in 12 months. But I have a lot of plaque in my LAD unfortunately.

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Post Number:#9  Post by pamojja » Thu Aug 03, 2017 11:45 am

Just to be clear, are you really following the whole of Pauling's recommendations? Or what you understand them to be by Dr. Rath's book? (which I haven't read and therefore can't know if or in what they differ)


guitarplayer007 wrote:Yes I'm taking all supplements recommended for advanced CVD in Dr. Raths book.


So you didn't take what Linus Pauling recommends in his book, but took what Dr. Rath recommends in his book? My question again, what does Dr. Rath recommend?

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Post Number:#10  Post by BrightSideOfLife » Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:34 am

As far as I am aware, the only difference between Rath and Pauling is the addition of Proline amino acid. Proline is important for collagen production and it is supposed to have Lp(a) binding inhibitor properties.

I think that the whole protocol could be better optimized by adding the important collagen building amino acids such as adding glycine as well as lysine and proline which are already recommended by pauling and rath, plus the aminos to make creatine which is meant to stimulate collagen production. It might then help the people who are not finding it helping them. At the very least it should help reduce wrinkles.

guitarplayer007 have you tried serrapeptase? What about vitamin K2? That can help reduce calcification.

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Post Number:#11  Post by pamojja » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:56 am

BrightSideOfLife wrote:As far as I am aware, the only difference between Rath and Pauling is the addition of Proline amino acid.


Did you read his book? I only saw interviews and in there he didn't recommended the same as Pauling, in insufficient doses, and instead of Paulings main protocol for good health, added other things like green tea extract (EGCG).

Anyone actually read his book? guitarplayer007?

Hmmm no response

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Post Number:#12  Post by guitarplayer007 » Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:41 am

Yes I read his book Why do people get heart attacks but animals don't

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Post Number:#13  Post by guitarplayer007 » Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:43 am

pamojja wrote:
Just to be clear, are you really following the whole of Pauling's recommendations? Or what you understand them to be by Dr. Rath's book? (which I haven't read and therefore can't know if or in what they differ)


guitarplayer007 wrote:Yes I'm taking all supplements recommended for advanced CVD in Dr. Raths book.


So you didn't take what Linus Pauling recommends in his book, but took what Dr. Rath recommends in his book? My question again, what does Dr. Rath recommend?



You do understand that they worked together?

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Post Number:#14  Post by pamojja » Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:49 am

guitarplayer007 wrote:You do understand that they worked together?


I know that Rath joined Pauling in his research in California for some time. But why you're now avoiding already that many posts to answer my question about what are the differences between both protocols?

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Post Number:#15  Post by pamojja » Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:05 pm

Now found it here: http://www.why-animals-dont-get-heart-attacks.org/download.html

Basic Cellular Health Recommendations

VITAMINS

Vitamin C 600 - 3,000 mg
Vitamin E (d-alpha-Tocopherol) 130 - 600 IU
Beta-carotene 1,600 - 8,000 IU
Vitamin B1 (Thiamine) 5 - 40 mg
Vitamin B2 (Riboflavin) 5 - 40 mg
Vitamin B3 (Nicotinate) 45 - 200 mg
Vitamin B5 (Pantothenate) 40 - 200 mg
Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine) 10 - 50 mg
Vitamin B12(Cyanocobalamin) 20 - 100 mcg
Vitamin D3 100 - 600 IU
Folic Acid 90 - 400 mcg
Biotin 60 - 300 mcg

MINERALS

Calcium 30 - 150 mg
Magnesium 40 - 200 mg
Potassium 20 - 90 mg
Phosphate 10 - 60 mg

TRACE•ELEMENTS

Zinc 5 - 30 mg
Manganese 1 - 6 mg
Copper 300 - 2,000 mcg
Selenium 20 - 100 mcg
Chromium 10 - 50 mcg
Molybdenum 4 - 20 mcg

OTHER•IMPORTANT•CELLULAR NUTRIENTS

L-Proline 100 - 500 mg
L-Lysine 100 - 500 mg
L-Carnitine 30 - 150 mg
L-Arginine 40 - 150 mg
L-Cysteine 30 - 150 mg
Inositol 30 - 150 mg
Coenzyme Q-10 5 - 30 mg
Pycnogenol 5 - 30 mg
Bioflavonoids 100 - 450 mg

mg = milligrams, mcg = micrograms


I'm not surprised Dr. Rath's protocol didn't work.


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