How do we help our loved ones

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How do we help our loved ones

Post Number:#1  Post by Croatia » Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:06 pm

Hello,

This is my first post, so please do not view this question as ignorant.

I have been viewing this board for a while and have a question. If someone we care about get a virus etc and this sickness leads them to be hospitalized, how do we get them vitamin c? If is my understanding the hospitals will not administer IV C?

If we decided to take matters into our own hands and administer IV vitamin c, what gauge and length of needle do we use? How much C per ml do we add? What substance does one inject? ( can it be water).

I am thinking down the road if I ever have a situation where a family member needs to be saved, I would like to have some knowledge on how to help them ( this also assumes they are unable to take lipo c)

Thank you in advance,

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VITAMINS IN HOSPITALS - THE FINAL FRONTIER

Post Number:#2  Post by VanCanada » Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:56 pm

VITAMINS IN HOSPITALS: THE FINAL FRONTIER
Andrew W. Saul wrote:...It may be their building, but it is your body. Accept nothing without an explanation that is satisfactory to you. If the nurse or doctor or aide or clerk or orderly or anyone else "says so," ask for a supervisor. If the supervisor "says so," ask to see the hospital administrator. If she or he is "too busy" for such contact, leave. There are other hospitals. If this sound like shopping for a new car, well, it very nearly is. Only this is more important.

Remember: all bureaucracies are most sensitive at the top. Schoolchildren (unfortunately) know that the principal is more likely to be understanding than the teacher they just talked back to. The Board of Education will be even more attentive. Do not argue with a nurse, doctor or hospital staff member. DEMAND TO MEET WITH TOP AUTHORITY if there is any unresolved problem. No hospital executive wants another lawsuit. If it takes a call to your attorney to make your point, then do it.

Perhaps, after a tirade like this, you expect me to grab my broomstick and wail, "I'm melting!" I have no apology to make for asserting your right to assert your rights.

Hospitals provide essential services and save lives. They will save even more when they fully utilize megavitamin therapy.

-This partial excerpt was quoted from http://www.doctoryourself.com/hospitals.html

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Vitamin C and the Law by Thomas Levy

Post Number:#3  Post by VanCanada » Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:32 pm

Vitamin C and the Law
Thomas Levy, M.D., J.D. wrote:Like any other therapy, the administration of vitamin C needs experience and expertise for optimal benefit and for the complete avoidance of significant side effects.
One patient, slight flank discomfort approaching 300 grams of vitamin in one day; prompt resolution with infusion of saline and administration of loop diuretic...

Virtually any treatment that is potent enough to cure a condition can be made toxic by incompetent administration and unawareness of body chemistry and physiology.
You do not want anybody giving you IV vitamin C anymore than you want a car mechanic doing your heart surgery.
While a great deal of additional medical education is not necessary for the competent administration of vitamin C, such education is nevertheless important for optimal safety and the absence of undesired side effects.

-Quoted from http://www.doctoryourself.com/VC.NZ.Sept.2010.pdf

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The book 'Hospitals and Health'

Post Number:#4  Post by VanCanada » Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:46 pm

Andrew W. Saul wrote:...It is an illusion that they run the place. The answer is – you do. They're offering you products and services, and they're trying to get you to accept them without question. ... [W]hen you go to the hospital, bring along a black Sharpie pen, and cross out anything that you don't like in the contract. Put big giant X's through entire clauses and pages, and do not sign it. And when they say, "We're not going to admit you," you say, "Please put it in writing that you refuse to admit me." What do you think your lawyers are going to do with that? They have to [admit you]. They absolutely have to... It's a game, and you can win it. But you can't win it if you don't know the rules. And basically, they don't tell you the rules. In Hospitals and Health, we do.

-Excerpt quoted from Hospitals and Health: Your Orthomolecular Guide to a Shorter, Safer Hospital Stay
Written by by Abram Hoffer, M.D., Andrew Saul and Steve Hickey
Reviewed by Dr. Joseph Mercola here:
http://www.doctoryourself.com/hospitalreviews.html

Good luck 'Croatia'. Best wishes to you and your loved ones.

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Post Number:#5  Post by Dolev » Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:30 pm

Croatia,

A gram of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Take a lot of C and other supplements along with good diet and life style and stay out of hospitals.
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Post Number:#6  Post by ofonorow » Fri Aug 10, 2012 2:49 am

I agree with Dolev! In the unfortunate event that hospitalization cannot be avoided, I have resorted to having my wife "sneak" me my vitamin C, even Liposomal vitamin C (which can raise blood levels like a small IV.) Normally, patients have no interest in "defying" their doctors like this. In my case, after surgery, I was called the "poster boy" because of how fast I healed and was able to leave the hospital. Little did they know.

Expecting hospitals to change or react differently to vitamin C is expecting them to go out of business. Under the current "profit model" the only way hospitals can survive is from expensive procedures. Those who have read this forum may know that when teams of specialists failed to diagnose my illness last summer, my primary care physician agreed to my request for IV/C in the hospital (only to run into the wall that the pharmacy had to "test and approve" all IVs, and vitamin C was not approved.). In any case, this physician was fired several months later - downsized.
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Post Number:#7  Post by Croatia » Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:08 am

Van Canada, thank you for the reply, as it is worth a shot. I am also located in Canada and they might possibly be more open minded, who knows though. And i do agree, one does want someone trained in the administration of this substance.

Dolev and Owen, thanks to this site i take 10 grams of AA and one liv on lipo C package daily. My question was more aimed at the worst case scenario. Something happens to a family member, they are in the hospital and they are not able to take in anything orally,terrible situation but possible.

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Post Number:#8  Post by Dolev » Fri Aug 10, 2012 11:00 am

Actually, my answer showed me that I don't have a plan for hospitalization. I'm glad this discussion came up, because the answer seems to be sneaking liposomal C. Here in Israel, I doubt if anyone in any hospital would know how to administer IVC.
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Post Number:#9  Post by Croatia » Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:32 pm

Dolev,

Here in Canada there are no issues taking lipo c into the hospital......my worries are if that person in the hospital is unable to take anything orally or is unconscious.

I believe i have read that it is 1 gram for each ml of fluid....but i am not sure.

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Post Number:#10  Post by Jacquie » Sat Sep 08, 2012 8:46 am

Thought I'd add my 2 cents here...

I've been considering this issue off and on for the last year. Even more so after my dad's hernia surgery, when the hospital flatly refused to give any IVC (of course). So we snuck in some AA tablets for him, and he was literally up dancing around the room the morning after surgery.

But what if one of my loved ones was in an accident and ended up in the ICU? Can't swallow tablets if you're unconscious or on a ventilator. The only possibility for getting vitamin C into them in that situation (assuming, of course, that they would want you to) is to do things that are patently illegal and could get you locked up for life. Now, perhaps, if they were dying from lack of C and could never get it otherwise... but that's a road frought with peril. Worst case scenario.

In the meantime, hoping it will never come to that, I'm trying to learn the correct protocol for self-administering IVs at home. It's a poor solution, and nothing but a stopgap measure, but in these dark ages of profit-ruled medical care, either I learn to do it or I won't have the option if I need it.

Edit: Had some links to more specifics on how to do IVCs, but figured it may be unwise without Owen's approval. Dunno the legalities here. Owen?

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Post Number:#11  Post by ofonorow » Tue Sep 11, 2012 9:25 am

Try to get an (alternative) doctor's prescription and hire a nurse. (I know AIDS patients who use Craigslist to find nurses to do the IVs.)

However, I don't see how someone can be home - and unconscious? If they cannot take nutrition by mouth, how are they getting it and could some vitamin C be added? If they can take by mouth - Lypo-C is the obvious answer.

But there is also much value in prevention - by taking a large amount of vitamin C, vitamin E, vitamin A, CoQ10, etc. daily and saturating the cells with antioxidant. This will allow a typical body to survive a typical hospital stay, even without vitamin C for awhile.
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Post Number:#12  Post by Croatia » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:36 pm

Jacquie wrote:Thought I'd add my 2 cents here...

I've been considering this issue off and on for the last year. Even more so after my dad's hernia surgery, when the hospital flatly refused to give any IVC (of course). So we snuck in some AA tablets for him, and he was literally up dancing around the room the morning after surgery.

But what if one of my loved ones was in an accident and ended up in the ICU? Can't swallow tablets if you're unconscious or on a ventilator. The only possibility for getting vitamin C into them in that situation (assuming, of course, that they would want you to) is to do things that are patently illegal and could get you locked up for life. Now, perhaps, if they were dying from lack of C and could never get it otherwise... but that's a road frought with peril. Worst case scenario.

In the meantime, hoping it will never come to that, I'm trying to learn the correct protocol for self-administering IVs at home. It's a poor solution, and nothing but a stopgap measure, but in these dark ages of profit-ruled medical care, either I learn to do it or I won't have the option if I need it.

Edit: Had some links to more specifics on how to do IVCs, but figured it may be unwise without Owen's approval. Dunno the legalities here. Owen?



I will look into the injection route...i have not gotten an answer on how to mix and what to mix...but i understand why.

If it comes to watching a loved one possibly die, i will not be the one to stand by and watch that happen.

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Re: How do we help our loved ones

Post Number:#13  Post by Jacquie » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:12 am

There's more to know than this, but it's a start. And it's from the horse's mouth:

http://www.orthomed.com/civprep.htm


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