New Method for Very High Potency Liposomal Vitamin C

[pamojja]

As far as I know up to 10 gram of Soy lecithin per day have been used:

http://healthlibrary.epnet.com/GetConte ... kiid=21680

[quintessential5]

As far as I know up to 10 gram of Soy lecithin per day have been used:

http://healthlibrary.epnet.com/GetContent.aspx?token=5b000b40-3809-4cb2-88a4-68bfd31b5c51&chunkiid=21680

Thanks! That's very helpful.

From that document:

European research has tended to use products concentrated to contain 90% phosphatidylcholine in lecithin, and the following dosages are based on that type of product. For psychological and neurological conditions, doses as high as 5 to 10 g taken three times daily have been used in studies. For liver disease, a typical dose is 350 to 500 mg taken three times daily; for high cholesterol, 500 to 900 mg taken three times daily has been tried.

So, it seems that even up to 30 g a day has been used in at least one study. Very cool!

[marush]

I'm glad you liked the site.

If you end up making some liposomal C using the recipe please me know how it turns out!

Thanks,

Chris

My husband and I use your recipe and it turns out great, is very effective!

[skwoodwiva]

[ISMA]

Dear Chris,

Why do you prefer lecithin granules than liquid lecithin?

For me it is difficult to find sunflower lecithin granules.

Thank you very.

Isma.

[infinitey]

I'm in the US and the easiest source of ethyl alcohol would be from the convenience store, in the form of 70% ethyl rubbing alcohol. Unfortunately, one of the inactive ingredients is acetone, which I believe is added to make it "denatured." Is it still okay to use it to make lipo C?

I tried looking for non-denatured alcohol on eBay and found that they are rather expensive. If someone could mention a dependable source for the alcohol (I am over 21), it would be appreciated.

[BrightSideOfLife]

[BrightSideOfLife]

Dear Chris,

Why do you prefer lecithin granules than liquid lecithin?

For me it is difficult to find sunflower lecithin granules.

Thank you very.

Isma.

I have never seen sunflower lecithin granules, I have only ever seen it as powder or a really thick and difficult to use "liquid".

It depend upon where you are for availability. I purchased mine from Germany which was a lower price than in the UK. There did seem to be a shortage of Sunflower lecithin for quite some time and my previous supplier had no stock and even stock in the US was difficult to find.

Be aware that the PhosphatidylCholine content of Sunflower lecithin tends to be lower than Soya Lecithin so you would need to adjust the quantity to ensure sufficient PC.
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[infinitey]

Can you not get Everclear in your State?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everclear_(alcohol)
It looks like Luxco makes a couple of other products which are very similar to Everclear.

Thank you for your reply BrightSide. Sorry for the late reply; I suffer from chronic fatigue and only have random spurts of energy to be able to do anything.

I thought the denatured aspect was to make the alcohol distasteful, not poisonous. The label said ethyl rubbing alcohol, with isopropyl rubbing alcohol being a separate product. I didn't buy either of them. I'm in California where Everclear is illegal.

I found an eBay US seller who sells medical grade 95% ethanol, so I plan to buy some of it. But I also have IBS and candida issues, and have become concerned that the alcohol will have a negative impact on me. Will the alcohol be just as effective in creating liposomes if I were to use half the recommended amount when making lipo C? I realize the author of Quality Liposomal Vitamin C says alcohol is an important ingredient.

[BrightSideOfLife]

Can you not get Everclear in your State?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everclear_(alcohol)
It looks like Luxco makes a couple of other products which are very similar to Everclear.

Thank you for your reply BrightSide. Sorry for the late reply; I suffer from chronic fatigue and only have random spurts of energy to be able to do anything.

I thought the denatured aspect was to make the alcohol distasteful, not poisonous. The label said ethyl rubbing alcohol, with isopropyl rubbing alcohol being a separate product. I didn't buy either of them. I'm in California where Everclear is illegal.

I found an eBay US seller who sells medical grade 95% ethanol, so I plan to buy some of it. But I also have IBS and candida issues, and have become concerned that the alcohol will have a negative impact on me. Will the alcohol be just as effective in creating liposomes if I were to use half the recommended amount when making lipo C? I realize the author of Quality Liposomal Vitamin C says alcohol is an important ingredient.

It's been a while since I last came into this forum, I am busy doing research and trying to work out what will work best.

IBS would most likely react to changes in what you consume due to Increased Digestive Permeability Syndrome aka Leaky Gut. It is caused by an infection which is NOT in the colon, it is in the stomach! It could be linked directly to your CFS which usually affects the right transverse colon. Being in the stomach makes it far easier to treat but they are biofilm protected and can be extremely resistant. I came across a site linked below that details how to make liposomal essential oils of which some have very strong antimicrobial effects. Quorum Sensing Inhibition does make it easier to eliminate the biofilm and Efflux Pump Inhibitors help prevent the micro-organisms from eliminating the antimicrobials.

I also suffer from CFS and find that not changing what I consume causes far less problems for me. Whenever I add anything new I suffer extreme exhaustion, otherwise things are less debilitating.

Alcohol is important for the forming of liposomes therefore I would not reduce the amount you use. It could be the difference between making an emulsion and liposomes.

http://www.eytonsearth.org/earthcures/how-to-make-liposomal-essential-oils-at-home-ultrasonic-method-tutorial-leos/

If you have not already found phoenixrising forum then here is the link http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php

[ekaitz]

I also suffer from CFS and find that not changing what I consume causes far less problems for me. Whenever I add anything new I suffer extreme exhaustion, otherwise things are less debilitating.

Do you know which is the root of your condition? CFS is a very vague term used for multiple things. By what I read, there are two main types, the "softer" adrenal inssuficiency which may relate to hormone depletion and imbalance, hypocortisolism, hypothyroidism.. etc, and the "harder" myalgic encephalomielitis, in which parasite infection is said to be involved and inmune system over reactive or seriously compromised.

If you suspect the first, have you got tested for thyroid, adrenal hormones, testosterone, 25OH status?

How much liposomed C do you take daily?

[Kina]

[Kina]

And as another experiment to be done.

The acidic taste most get with home made liposomes might be reduced by reducing the Ascorbic Acid concentration used, as it appears concentrations are exceeding the lipids ability encapsulate them all.

To have a more palatable product, would mean lowering final mg/ml AA, but increase the ability of a person to consume more of it, and lower gut gas creation from excess AA.

I will use an amended version of the qualityliposomalc method with same Ratios again but half AA, to see if that removes most of the Acidic taste.
Amendment would be - seeing that Transition temperatures of the lipids in the powder are around 45C will use that in the preparation of Lecithin in alcohol as seen in other Lab processes, separately before adding to the AA solution in water.

Have almost finished my current batch of LVC. Will start on the three experiments, in reduced amounts to see the best outcome.

[BrightSideOfLife]

[Kina]

From what I can see the P.Inositol is not in the granules, however the ration of P.choline in the granules and powder is the same.
The addition of P.Inositol should be an advantage in providing and additional liposome. But don't know the phase transition temps for it.

The Zhang - Expirment #1 as expected didn't work as there was no heating of either the lipid, or agent to the transition temp of the lipid.

Also surprisingly the other didn't work too well either, despite following the instructions exactly, include adding 0.8gm tocopheral. I have accurate scales that measure mg and ml, and a good thermometer and sonicator that works fine. Maybe a different pH of the solution made the diff.

Or the difference can only have been the lecithin used.
I tried reheating cooling and resonicating - made no difference - very acidic taste.

In frustration - since both experiments were a lost cause - threw them together in a pot on the stove, heated to nice heat, well above 45C.
And Lo, in the fridge got a nic thick gel, with little VC taste. LoL Not sure if the VC was destroyed ( i doubt it) or the temperature used should be well above the transition temp - when using mixed lipids I note other experiments on patents used p.choline 100% I think. I am think the transition/phase change temp should be exceeded somewhat.

Am in the process of trying that experiment again with Half the Ascorbic Acid, thinking that it is wishful thinking to expect 100% encapsulation rate.

There is another method that can be used - but at home the amount per batch is limited. As you create a lipid film around the bowl, or saucepan - and when dried/cooled - you introduce the agent liquid that has to be above the phase transition temp of the lipid film.