gofanu wrote:"if fasting stimulates the body to repair itself,"
"IF" is the operative term here. I do not believe it to be so. I find it ridiculous to suppose that anything can be repaired without energy and required ingredients. Parts and workers.
I have observed that people fasting tend to be less active while doing so, because they are now low on energy, thus conserving resources, and not inducing damage. That may be beneficial, so is rest without the fast. But in truth, I do not know many who subscribe to the fasting idea, and none of those I have known ever appeared to be very healthy. And people who are hungry are generally bitchy and hard to teach. Somewhere lately I related the rat feed story - the poor beasts poisoned, so it seems reasonable that if they eat less of it (calorie deprivation) they will be healthier and last longer - same goes for people, but if you eat real food as you require, it is not a factor.
"I am not about prolonging life, Ive said many times my goal is to maintain/increase health, not length of life. you seem to be misreading what I write."
I know you keep saying that, but I get the sense of fear of impending death, yours and/or your significants. Are you telling me/us, or are you telling yourself, trying so hard to believe it? Your conscious brain and your testosterone tell you to not be afraid, but your words sound otherwise. Note that this is the "life extension" forum. That is why I missed this thread , because I am not much concerned in the whole subject, put that way. I came to it solely because you posted an interesting link that led me here, and it is a PITA figuring out how to find it again. I am "interested" (in everything!) but there are only so many hours in a day, and I use a lot of them here, to the detriment of other interests.
What I am telling you is not to put you down, embarrass you, or drive you into a corner. It is not a dominance fight, male or otherwise, not an emotional argument. It is, in my intent, a reasoned exploration of possibility, with some few resultant aids to a pleasant life. The fear of death is a common and very strong driver for many, maybe most or even all. How much death have you experienced, right in your face? It is important to accept reality. If you do not like it, you adjust or compensate or trick the bugger into submission - but you cannot deny and ignore it, and still be sane. You started out asking for some help and assistance in these matters, I'm trying. I do not demand that you agree, only that you listen and honestly consider. You will likely benefit more than I, even though I learn from all I meet.
I've been thrown into a state of confusion by your left field, off topic post.
We arent measuring our cocks here man, you seem to feel as though we are, since you think someone has such low self-esteem to be embarrassed on the internet by any anonymous internet persona.
what do you think you are saying that is useful? that i, or anyone, can take and use?
I don't see anything..
I am not trying put you down, embarrass you, or drive you into a corner., I simply don't understand what help to anyone your post is?
if you figure it out, maybe you can make it more clear and succinct?
Back on message:
Let's just focus on the issues brought to the table, namely does fasting help someone be healthy.
I understand you don't understand how stimulating the body via periods of no calories can do anything. I used to be puzzled by how damaging the body can cause it to want to grow bigger, but then I just accepted that is what weight lifting is all about., I have to damage my muscles in order to stimulate them to grow.
Is overeating healthy? Does eating so many calories you get fat make a person healthy? one a person gets fat, even with 200% RDA of everything, you get fat, that's not healthy.
I am interested in the health benefits of sirtuin activation, as that seems to do something and a way to activtate sirtuin genes.
If you look at what I said more carefully,I think you mis understood, when you say things like, I do not believe it to be so. I find it ridiculous to suppose that anything can be repaired without energy and required ingredients. Parts and workers.
I think I can fix it
I am not saying don't feed the body,I am saying don't constantly feed the body.
see that's what I am talking about?
look at some of my other posts, you are still getting all the calories you need daily, BUT instead of eating 2000 calories within 24 hours, you eat them without 8 hours and sometimes you eat more than 2000 within 24 hours after having not eaten for 24 hours.
I am not asking for your personal beliefs to change like you think your beliefs matter. ie I do not believe it to be so. I find it ridiculous to suppo
I am soley looking for and at research that shows fasting for different periods of times helps health.
Michael Mosley compared animals, those given access to food 24/7 and those that were given access to food much like in his eat/fast book/ only 8 hours a day,http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x18a1b ... _lifestyle
the animals that were given food 24/7 had more disease than the ones that were forced to fast.
you don't think how often a person eats can affect anything?>
I wonder about about it hence I ask others to share useful info, that's what lead me to this site and why Im asking you what knowledge are you trying share with your long post?
the basics of fasting is learned from leangains.com http://www.leangains.com/2010/04/leangains-guide.html
from a guy who fasts, yet is in excellent shape
or from the mike mosly special, which is summed up here, in a video i don't 90% agree with, but it gives you the basicshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9Aj6hRYg4A
(telling you to eat whatever you want 5 days a week and 2 days a week eat very little(which is not what the leangains site agrees with) and you'll prevent onset of dz's.
I find it all interesting, much in the way I first found the idea about taking grams of vitamin C interesting...I still take 10-15grams of vitamin C a day, I can't say for sure I've had any results, but I dont see a downside....do I see a downside to the IFing? aside from the work it takes to not be eating whenever I get hungry, no..I do see many upsides.
what do you think about IFing for better health?
might it have some use over eating 24/7? (eating same foods)