Johnwen wrote:No, i don't know where or how they break down. And you seem to have the idea that they cannot be measured until
they are broken down. I think the calibration testing proves vitamin C can be measured inside their lipid capsules just fine.
They cannot be measured in the body even after they are broken down because they are taken into the cells!
What you are reading is the emulsion of High Concentration of V-C that the product [Lipo’s] is bath in.
Your meter showed you that the fluid it’s in is unreadable because of the High amount of V-C in it giving you the error readings when testing it.
So in reality like I said before when you take this product into the body you are getting the best of both world’s . Your getting a good dose of regular V-C which we know has many benefits and your getting the lasting benefit of the lipo’s which are feeding the cells and remaining in the system for use for up to 10x longer then the V-C that is in the surrounding fluids.
So you are going to see spikes on taking the Lipo combo because your body is treating it just like a regular gulp would but the residual effects of the lipo’s is not going to be seen but they are there working in the background of your meter and body!!
This is why when testing the product breakdown in the ultrasound you have to dilute a known amount of the Lipo product down to a point where it’s readable then zapping it to release what’s in the lipo’s an see if there is a change, preferably a rise. From that you can calculate the % of benefit this product will give a person.
The next question is did you even take the time to watch those video’s because you will find out how a lipo works in the body???
So all these tests tell me is your comparing apples to apples and not getting the real picture!!’
In both cases, there was a slight difference before/after ultrasound,
Exactly what were looking for! Because we don’t know the % of lipo’s in the mix, by using a known amount and diluting the mix to a known level you then can see which product gives the highest rise which would indicate it had a higher % of Lipo’s to begin with.
A drop in the reading even minor would indicate the process used didn’t utilize all the lipo’s in the mix. Being that when zapped they encapsulated the surrounding fluids even though the capsules where becoming smaller this would still cause a lowering of the concentration of V-C in the surrounding fluids.
If the % of lipo’s were high to begin with, the capsules would thus break and release the content’s into the surrounding fluid and as lipo’s became smaller (breaking and reassembling) the surrounding fluid would still remain higher then the beginning reading!
So we know the surrounding fluid is high in V-C and taking it acts just like regular consumption of a V-C mix but what goes on in the background is what’s providing the benefits outside of what just regular V-C in the system can provide!
Finding out who has the most of the background material is the key to these experiments!
As far as the next idea (last post) - I am "eating" phospholipids when the liposomal is drunk, so I would expect more "cholesterol" to be detected, and I know of no way to monitor or detect the "cholesterol" in the body fluids.
I am "eating" phospholipids when the liposomal is drunk, so I would expect more "cholesterol" to be detected,
I know of no way to monitor or detect the "cholesterol" in the body fluids.
On the rest of your writing’s a glucose meter would not read encapsulated Lipids contents but would read only the residual surrounding Product if it is in the sugar family! Reading Interstitial fluid would only show the contents if the lipid’s have experienced lysis and the product was released.
glucose meter would not read encapsulated Lipids contents but would read only the residual surrounding
The glucose in the blood sample reacts with the glucose oxidase to form gluconic acid, which then reacts with ferricyanide to form ferrocyanide. The electrode oxidizes the ferrocyanide, and this generates a current directly proportional to the glucose concentration.
Maybe I missed something but is the vitamin C ACTUALLY RAISING YOUR BLOOD GLUCOSE to dangerous levels or is it just READING the vitamin C and falsely reporting it as blood glucose rise?
If the former, than it answers an old question I had about whether or not VC caused a release in insulin, and it would be an astounding YES!
I am wondering now if all of this is even healthy...Am I missing something??
but how do you explain our readings?
Johnwen wrote:OWEN Said:
but how do you explain our readings?
ANSWER: Extraneous V-C in the bath that the Liposomes are sitting in!
Like I said if this was a drug it would be unacceptable!!
A little test, we know water does not effect liposomes!
So when adding some warm NOT Hot water to the Liposome mix say 2oz to 10grams lipo and gently stirring and allowing about 2-4hours for the lipo’s to settle in the bottom of the glass cup. When looking at the mix you will see a layer form at the bottom of the glass these are the lipo’s to above fluid is the residual.
Now when you take the reading there will be a drop in the readings of the mix, which is water and V-C.
Not because there is less liposomes but because the extra V-C surrounding the liposomes is being diluted.
But at the same concentration as the 166 mg/dl of AA (or SA)? That would mean they doubled the vitamin C , or ALL is outside the liposomes when the evidence is that most if not all is inside the liposomes. (I think of my brother with the "worst dental infections" his dentist had ever seen. Panacea kept him alive - when nothing else would.)
ofonorow wrote:Note: Excerpt from the private cancer section because this knowledge is derived from the research in this topic...,Owen,
Can you give me suggested dosing guidelines on the Conquer product for someone with cancer (primary uterine with mets to liver and brain, stable, with initially lowered CA125 tumor markers that has been increasing since she was told that "IV vitramin C" was no longer available on the day before her chemotherapy. Previous to that she was getting one IVC infusion before each chemotherapy treatment.
She has your Conquer product and was concerned about any kind of "liver toxicity" but mostly wants to know what would be recommended as far as dosing with her cancer.
Thanks, Owen. Time is of the essence
Our ideas are changing, but not concrete. We may be learning why such low dosages of Conquer have been reported effective.
We usually include the Conquer Instructions with every first-time order. We originally calculated, based on average blood volume,
that one-half bottle, all at once, and preferably along with an IV/C, had the best chance reaching the Sensuke etl.al. concentrations in test tubes that was found to be cancer--lethal. Ordinary malignancies. No known side effects - other than killing all the cancer all at once, which is why we recommended starting slowly, and waiting for a liver detox/herx reaction. Back off until it subsides, and then resume and slowly increase. Our cancer forum contains many examples of protocols like this and we usually also include a document from a person's relative who went to Arthur Anderson... That person is still alive - and ordering.
We have only had one person with prostate cancer, and he didn't experience the kind of remission that have been reported with other cancers.
I was surprised by the first case where a pancreatic cancer was apparently put into remission on only one or two jars of Conquer,
with no instructions. Since then we have learned something.
The amount of vitamin C in the body fluids, the interstitial fluid, is influenced by the blood, but vitamin C apparently lasts much longer in body fluids. And while we don't understand the readings (they are for glucose) a 10 gram IV/C raised the interstitial fluids to 500 mg/dl (normal is 90) or about 350 points above my baseline. However, instead of being half gone in 30 minutes - like the blood - these readings persisted for hours... 4-6 hours. This was IV, and the upper level was much lower for 10 grams orally, but there was an unexpected persistence, and I think this may explain why less than 1/2 bottle of Conquer has been effective.
So start with one serving Conquer every 3 hours the first day - until there is some kind of Herx. I would take ordinary vitamin C
powder too, because our experiments with the interstitial fluids have so-far been with ascorbic acid ultrafine powder. We know
liposomal lasts longer in the blood, but do not know yet what that means regarding the fluids that bathe our cells. Soon.
As a review, new science from India has shown that the seeds of cancer, Cancer Stem Cells (CSCs) are either promoted or killed,
depending on the dosage of vitamin C. We created our White Paper based on keeping blood levels at the CSC-killing concentration, but a much lower level MIGHT be lethal given the knowledge we are gaining regarding the body fluids.
To keep blood levels at the CSC-lethal concentration, about 1 gram every 2 hours of vitamin C is required. So the person you
are helping should attempt to achieve this level, and our Cameron chewables were designed so that perhaps 500 mg could
be easily taken every hour...
And if you/they haven't seen the documentary CANCER CAN BE KILLED,
they raise the "trojan" horse theory why vitamin C - alone - can literally starve cancer cells who use it like glucose, but
it cannot fill the rapidly dividing cell's energy requirements.
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