New Cortisol Discussion - DIgression to Blood Sugar (split)

[kohlrabicroce]

I tried to split the posts that were not related to cortisol, as much as blood sugar... from http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10783

Posted the above late I see two more posts were added.
I see you hit 400 not good but does happen.
You need to get a A1C test to get a overveiw of whats been going on over the last few months and see if this spike is a common thing or a fluke.
If your over 150 in the am get a hold of your doc.

If his blood glucose is over 110 in the morning, then it's a problem.
That is taken first thing before eating.

[Johnwen]

If his blood glucose is over 110 in the morning, then it's a problem.
That is taken first thing before eating.

An this based on how many years of Clinical Experience by you???
In August of this year I'll have 35 years in case you want to throw this question back at me.

If you read owens prior posts you'll see he's a constant 100-120 producer therefore a 20-25% increase in fasting glucose would indicate a problem.

[kohlrabicroce]

[kohlrabicroce]

You still haven't answered my question and you come back with some other questions? Then make derogatory comments to top it off and then expect someone to listen to you!
Good luck with that!!
Any body can read all these different studies and not support them with actual experience. As I said before and will say again. Everybody is different and every day is different. Each patient has to be elvaluated on their own conditions and not what a list tells you it should be. This only comes with experience in dealing with these problems.

Yeah? I learned it from you! You still haven't answered my question about how it works
when a small dose of cortisol is given to a person who is not making as much as
their body needs. Very skillful deflection!

Ok, so you will forgo the standards of an official organization in order to give
a non-personalized and informal recommendation over the internet which
nobody should take too seriously????

Good luck with that too!

PS: would you be willing to sign a statement, addressed to Owen, that
his health will be fine even if his fasting blood glucose goes as high as 150,
on a regular basis, and that he does not have to bother to try get that
number down? I bet you wouldn't! heh.

This is a good way to get a doctor to put up or shut up: ask them
if they will put it in writing, and sign it. Oh the malpratice possibilities....

[Johnwen]

[kohlrabicroce]

[Johnwen]

Information is not knowledge.
Albert Einstein

Other then being a IDIOT, what else can you say about yourself to try to make you something your not?

Opinion is the medium between knowledge and ignorance.
Plato

[Johnwen]

[ofonorow]

I do have a question. Johnwen, how is Type I diabetes diagnosed?

Also, I went to Life Extension - and the only saliva panel is a female hormone test? There are several male hormone panels, but unsure what you want me to look for. Only the "weight loss" panel includes insulin. None include cortisol. Pointer to the test you have in mind appreciated. Thx

[Johnwen]

TYPE-1:
Blood test! C-peptide assay, insulin, glucose
Found a pretty good explanation on labs on line.
There's a RELATED ISSUES: Thing that will take you to the other tests.
Heres the link.

http://labtestsonline.org/understanding ... e/tab/test

SALIVA TEST:
I believe this is a one period test but for the price it'll give you a starting point.

You need:
Progesterone, Testosterone, DHEA, Cortisol, Androstenedione

Heres the link click on the name on the top of the saliva test and will take you to the explaination. "Saliva Hormone Profile Test"

http://www.healthyhormones.com/products.htm

Your choice LEF or Healthy Hormones.

[ofonorow]

I ordered the saliva test and will also have an LEF hormone blood panel as well because I have an appointment with my "cortisol" doc soon.

I am down to 2 mg cortisol and have stopped everything else (for example, my oral DHEA) and will wait a week to let my body adjust/clear before having the testing.

[ofonorow]

Argh! I went to this page - http://www.healthyhormones.com/products.htm
Ordered the Saliva test - upper right - $79 - thinking was getting 8 hormones.

NOthing in the process told me - until the lab received my saliva - that I was limited to 2 hormones of my choice!?

What two should I have gotten?

For another $139 I could have gotten the full cortisol... $35 extra per hormone.. sigh

[ofonorow]

hookay - haven't studied this - blood hormone test results..hard to cut/paste PDF..

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Bilirubin, Total 1.1 mg/dL 0.0-1.2 CB
A/G Ratio 1.5 1.1-2.5 CB
Globulin, Total 2.6 g/dL 1.5-4.5 CB
Albumin, Serum 4.0 g/dL 3.5-5.5 CB
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Phosphorus, Serum 3.1 mg/dL 2.5-4.5 CB
Calcium, Serum 8.8 mg/dL 8.7-10.2 CB
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Potassium, Serum 4.4 mmol/L 3.5-5.2 CB
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BUN/Creatinine Ratio 18 9-20 CB
eGFR If Africn Am 94 mL/min/1.73 >59 CB
eGFR If NonAfricn Am 81 mL/min/1.73 >59 CB
Creatinine, Serum 1.01 mg/dL 0.76-1.27 CB
BUN 18 mg/dL 6-24 CB
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Monocytes(Absolute) 0.3 x10E3/uL 0.1-1.0 CB
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Neutrophils (Absolute) 2.6 x10E3/uL 1.8-7.8 CB
Immature Cells CB
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Eos 2 % 0-7 CB
Monocytes 8 % 4-13 CB
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Unable to perform an accurate platelet count due to aggregation of
the platelets.
Platelets TNP x10E3/uL CB
RDW 16.3 High % 12.3-15.4 CB
MCHC 36.8 High g/dL 31.5-35.7 CB
MCH 29.8 pg 26.6-33.0 CB
MCV 81 fL 79-97 CB
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Hemoglobin 13.3 g/dL 12.6-17.7 CB
Red blood cells appear slightly agglutinated
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diabetes, severe obesity, and family history of premature
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factors affect CHD Risk such as hypertension, smoking,
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Triglycerides 112 mg/dL 0-149 CB
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Pregnenolone, MS 16 ng/dL ES
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decrease and remain at undetectable levels after radical
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Roche ECLIA methodology.
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Sex Horm Binding Glob, Serum 18.8 Low nmol/L 19.3-76.4 CB

Seemed to miss some tests first time

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Vitamin D deficiency has been defined by the Institute of
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level of serum 25-OH vitamin D less than 20 ng/mL (1,2).
Evaluation, treatment, and prevention of vitamin D
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intakes for calcium and D. Washington DC: The
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[Johnwen]

[ofonorow]

Thanks for taking the time to study these numbers johnwen.

If you remember, I did add low iron, (from a Woman's multi) and felt that may have something to do with the cortisol my adrenals are now making. I will add more.

Here are the results (just in) of my saliva testing - I believe I had the blood drawn the next day or two after the saliva.

So, why is test testosterone saliva opposite (high) of the blood tests???????

I stopped all medications/hormones 10 days prior to these tests - except prednisolone - which I stopped the night before.

The "evening" cortisol is obviously high because I was in pain later in the day. And the pain is correlated precisely with the cortisol intake.

But I agree, I want to get the blood sugar down, and now wonder if it could be insulin?

Owen R Fonorow
Lisle, IL 60532


Menopausal Status: N/A
Gender: Male

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Hormone Test                 Result        Range
Estradiol (saliva)           0.9             0.5-2.2   
Testosterone (saliva)       186H           44-148 (Age Dependent)     (Apparently in 2007 my saliva reading was 99)
DHEAS (saliva)                3.8            2-23 (Age Dependent)
Cortisol Morning (saliva)    6.0            3.7-9.5
Cortisol Noon (saliva)       1.6             1.2-3.0
Cortisol Evening (saliva)    1.5             0.6-1.9
Cortisol Night (saliva)     1.3 H             0.4-1.0


06/12/2013











02/01/2007

99


Hormone Test
Estradiol (saliva)
Testosterone (saliva)
DHEAS (saliva)
Cortisol Morning (saliva)
Cortisol Noon (saliva)
Cortisol Evening (saliva)
Cortisol Night (saliva)


Current
06/12/2013
0.9
186H
3.8
6.0
1.6
1.5
1.3H

Units
pg/ml
pg/ml
ng/ml
ng/ml
ng/ml
ng/ml
ng/ml

Range
0.5-2.2
44-148 (Age Dependent)
2-23 (Age Dependent)
3.7-9.5
1.2-3.0
0.6-1.9
0.4-1.0

So how does this mesh with the blood testing? Why is it so different? (Testosterone)? Saliva says DHEA-S is very low..

Added - rereading your analysis of my blood. Yes cholesterol is way too low. I eat an egg EVERY day. Before I added lysine (proline) my cholesterol was 180 mg/dl on the button. After I started adding lysine, it dropped to 160 mg/dl.. Now it is what - 150 mg/dl.. One theory is that I don't have many toxins left to trigger the production of cholesterol.. On top of all the vitamin C... I also have no fear at all of heart disease... (Which is a nice way to live, given the history of my father's family - all dying of massive heart attacks.)

Now I am missing a portion of the pancreas - so I suppose insulin might be a factor - especially if high vitamin C continually asks the pancreas for insulin (as topics here suggest it might). So very low cholesterol and very high blood sugar...

Progesterone cream is interesting.. I used to use it regularly - an experiment to keep my prostate from growing, but I have been lax for about a year! I will start again...