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blueskymyne wrote:
Well, explain why other cultures of the world such as the Hunza in the mountains of Pakistan, who never see processed food or supplements, televisions, electricity or have no clue about Linus Pauling live to be 100 and beyond and suffer no diabetes, heart disease, obesity or cancer? Common major diseases that are rampant in modern culture.
These people only eat the native diet. Why dont they suffer vitamin c deficiencies? Its not like their dying waiting for the UPS truck to arrive with supplements. lol
Because they get it from the food at optimal amounts to sustain a long healthy life. There are other cultures who live long lives as well.
My original question explains what is being asked and why. I am trying to convince our
company to carry ascorbic acid powder but the response was that ascorbic acid is
not vitamin C and all this stuff about it being a 'complex' as in the Tim O'Shea
article I was referred to, so I am curious where these ideas come from.
Now, you and I both know it doesn't matter what they want to call it but
you and I don't need convincing.
I have also read in an unrelated article that there is some debate about whether
'vitamin C' is actually a 'vitamin' but that gets into the definition of a vitamin and
it's really just academic to me.
It is funny that the cultures who live so long are so removed from civilization. So removed that we must take people's word for it that they live so long
Death results if no ascorbic acid is consumed. (By the way, life ensues whether or not any complex is added to the ascorbic acid)
I would like to know the reasoning why the natural vitamin proponents think what they do, and whether it can be backed up by scientific tests.
ofonorow wrote:I would like to know the reasoning why the natural vitamin proponents think what they do, and whether it can be backed up by scientific tests.
Don't we all.
I respect Weston Price and his findings, however, even he had to take their word on longevity (or did he live with them for 50, 60 or 70 years?)
And as we have pointed out - patients in comas are given "complete nutrition" products in hospitals, usually IV, and these products have ascorbic acid - no complex. (When Ensure was first introduced, patients died over time. Turns out that biotin is a vitamin, but that wasn't known that biotin was an essential vitamin. They added biotin and today you can live indefinitely on the ingredients in the Ensure formula.
I have seen no explanation from the naturalists about this fact.
blueskymyne wrote:I agree with what Tim O'Shea says about the complex of vitamin C and I make no bones about it, Tuberose (vitamins) and Dr. Ben Kim as well.
"Let food be your medicine"- Linus Pauling. Go ahead and argue with the man himself.
You can not live indefinetly off of this product. It will kill you slowly with any of the major diseases despite the added nutrients. It doesnt mask the toxicity of high sugar which leaches these very nutrients added to the product.
zucic wrote:blueskymyne wrote:I agree with what Tim O'Shea says about the complex of vitamin C and I make no bones about it, Tuberose (vitamins) and Dr. Ben Kim as well.
"Let food be your medicine"- Linus Pauling. Go ahead and argue with the man himself.
?This Tim O'Shea:
B.A. Psychology---- Ohio State University
B.A. English---- University Of Akron
Doctor Of Chiropractic---- Life Chiropractic College, 1986 ?
Benjamin Kim is a chiropractor too.
They are certainly not competent to say something about chemistry and/or physics. The so-called synthetic vitamin C is the same thing as the natural vitamin C. These two guys are not supposed to redefine the term "vitamin C" because other people used this a long time ago.
And "Let food be your medicine" is just a partial quotation of Hippocrates. He said this ~2400 years ago.
Pg 7 (pdf) Page 446 "From the begining I had suspected that the (isolated) substance was identical with vitamin C. But my unsettled way of life was not suited for vitamin experiments, concening which I had not had any experience either."
Pg 8 (pdf) Page 447 See figure 4 - just above it reads "This was the first proof that ascorbic acid was identical with vitamin C"
You want something said from someone credible with a nobel prize in physics?
Dr. Szent Giorgi stated that with just isolated ascorbic acid he had not found the active anti-scurvy factor of the C-complex.
With isolated ascorbic acid he could not stop capillary hemorraging (one characteristic of scuvy) that HE COULD RELIABLY INFLUENCE WITH THE C-COMPLEX.
Now what is that has changed since the father of the discovery of ascorbic acid learned that scurvy could not be prevented or ameliorated with isolated ascorbic acid?
With isolated ascorbic acid he could not stop capillary hemorraging (one characteristic of scuvy) that HE COULD RELIABLY INFLUENCE WITH THE C-COMPLEX.
Dolev wrote:Thanks Owen, my faith was shaken for a moment. As I said earlier, the thousands of experiments showing vitamin C's usefullness all used pure AA. There's no reason for this discussion except that O'Shea and others keep beating the dead horse and those watching think the horse is moving on its own.
The human body needs ascorbic acid allright provided it comes in its WRAPPER that the body UNWRAPS with the ENZYMES and COFACTORS that comes with the ascorbic acid.
Is it any wonder the kidneys excrete this stuff as fast as possible? Get rid of it.
This form of fake vitamin c known as ascobic acid is really nothing but extracted ascorbic acid from corn starch.
Just like what prevented scurvy in early British and Anarctic explorers right? Just exactly what sustained longevity of the Hunza and several other cultures of the world into old age, Just like what sustains the 3 other non ascorbate producers to a full life.
All these beings had to do was wait for the synthetic vitamin factories to be built so they could suffer the disease and degeneration that is rampant in the USA and other modern countries. This is called going forward in reverse.
When we captured these non ascorbate producers and put them in cages and fed them fractioned molecules in fortified foods they died prematurely. This is exactly what man does to himself. ON PURPOSE for profits. There is nothing profitable about food in health.
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