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Testimony - Its the Dosage Stupid!
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 3:40 am
by ofonorow
Hi Owen
9/22/09
First, Thank you for activating my account for the forum. I hope I can be of some help here.
My wife who had triple bypass in 2001 and then had an aterery closing down when I started her on Tower heart technolgy, and then they were going to do a brachetherapy (radiation burning of the artery) and found out she didn't need it.
Thanks to heart tech! She is doing just fine. She takes 3 grams C and 2.5 grams L-lysine ,1-250 mg L-Proline, 1-30 mg. CQ10. Two months ago they had to take her off one of her BP med's. She was taking 1 am & 1 pm Her Bp dropped now she only takes the am BP med now. She takes a hormone pill and That @#$$%^ Plavix. That's it. Me and her cardiologist (the same guy who wanted to burn her) had it out again about plavix the last time we were there. She still laughs when we talk about it she says she didn't understand a word of what we were talking about. Anyway she now only takes 1/2 of a pill. Per
Dr's Order! 1/2 to much for my liking.
I'd like to relay an experience and knowledge I encountered with my health over the last year. During my routine exam about a year ago my Dr. noticed a burp in my left carotid artery and sent me for an Echo. It turns out I HAD a 30% blockage there.
I was shocked since me and the wife take the same supplements. She cleared out, I'm blocking up. So back to the books, the Internet, the library. When I finally figured it out I really felt stupid. The whole answer broke down to one equation "Mg/Kg"
In Dr Klenner's writings he describes his dosage for the various diseases he treated with V-C and how he applied it for the individual patients using their weight and this formula.
My wife weights a 110 lbs. 49.6 Kg and I weight 195 lbs. 88 Kg. We take 3000 mg. a day. She figures at 3000/49.6=60.5 Mg/Kg V-C. Me 3000/88=34 Mg/Kg V-C I'm getting a little more then half of what she's getting. She's doing great, I'm going down hill. It was all to obvious I wasn't getting enough V-C. So up I went to 6000 mg with no problem at about 8000 mg start having a little problem but muscled thru it. Held at 8000 for three months then back down to 6000 mg. more for convince of taking it at food time. Since I use powdered V-C and L-Lysine Mixed. My L-Lysine was increased proportionately.
At the four month Echo Follow up I had a so called "Fatty Streak" in the artery. Four months later June 09 Echo.
Results were "Normal, See you Next year!"
So Score another one for Vitamin C. I'll tell you one thing about the process of healing my carotid artery it sure lets you know something is happening there. A few times it felt like someone kicked me in the neck ,now it's back to normal.
So What I learned is 34 Mg/Kg doesn't really give a whole lot of protection 50 Mg/Kg would probably be better for preventive. At 60 Mg/Kg healing starts at 90 Mg/Kg Things really start to happen. In Dr. Klenner's writings he seemed to start his dosages at 100 Mg/Kg of course he was IVing and shooting IM But he also used oral doses as follow ups at pretty good rates.
In the forum I noticed a few instances were people say things were going good at first when they took one of your products and then turned south.
You rightfully tell them to titrate up but I can't help but to think how much has their weight changed. Playing with this formula I found even a five pound weight gain can put you in a different dosage range and if they were on the boarder to begin with now their heading in the wrong direction.
So there you have it Einstein Gave us E=Mc 2 and the world was amazed but did save a life? Klenner gave us Mg/Kg and no one noticed yet it could save millions of lives.
Before I let you go I came across this article That compare's Lipid Theory with the Unified Theory. Very well written in plain language.
John Wenskus
LINK Below
http://www.ourhealthcoop.com/pauling.htm
Thanks John. (If you want me to remove your name - email me).
Yes, Dosage dosage dosage. Since you are now an expert in the equation, perhaps you can contribute a table of body weight in pounds, and the appropriate dosage range in mg or grams?
Now as far as Plavix, maybe a strategy for Plavix is to contact one of the law firms involved
in the class action suits!
Re: Testimony - Its the Dosage Stupid!
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:25 am
by Johnwen
Re: Testimony - Its the Dosage Stupid!
Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:26 am
by Johnwen
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Weight Lbs. Wgt Kg. 30 Mg/Kg 40 Mg/Kg 50 Mg/Kg 60 Mg/Kg 70 Mg/Kgs 80 Mg/Kg 90 Mg/Kg 100 Mg/Kg
100 45.1 1,354 1,806 2,257 2,709 3,160 3,612 4,063 4,515
105 47.4 1,422 1,896 2,370 2,844 3,318 3,792 4,266 4,740
110 49.7 1,490 1,986 2,483 2,980 3,476 3,973 4,470 4,966
115 51.9 1,558 2,077 2,596 3,115 3,634 4,153 4,673 5,192
120 54.2 1,625 2,167 2,709 3,251 3,792 4,334 4,876 5,418
125 56.4 1,693 2,257 2,822 3,386 3,950 4,515 5,079 5,643
130 58.7 1,761 2,348 2,935 3,521 4,108 4,695 5,282 5,869
135 60.9 1,828 2,438 3,047 3,657 4,266 4,876 5,485 6,095
140 63.2 1,896 2,528 3,160 3,792 4,424 5,056 5,688 6,321
145 65.5 1,964 2,619 3,273 3,928 4,582 5,237 5,892 6,546
150 67.7 2,032 2,709 3,386 4,063 4,740 5,418 6,095 6,772
155 70.0 2,099 2,799 3,499 4,199 4,898 5,598 6,298 6,998
160 72.2 2,167 2,889 3,612 4,334 5,056 5,779 6,501 7,223
165 74.5 2,235 2,980 3,725 4,470 5,214 5,959 6,704 7,449
170 76.7 2,302 3,070 3,837 4,605 5,372 6,140 6,907 7,675
175 79.0 2,370 3,160 3,950 4,740 5,530 6,321 7,111 7,901
180 81.3 2,438 3,251 4,063 4,876 5,688 6,501 7,314 8,126
185 83.5 2,506 3,341 4,176 5,011 5,847 6,682 7,517 8,352
190 85.8 2,573 3,431 4,289 5,147 6,005 6,862 7,720 8,578
195 88.0 2,641 3,521 4,402 5,282 6,163 7,043 7,923 8,804
200 90.3 2,709 3,612 4,515 5,418 6,321 7,223 8,126 9,029
205 92.6 2,777 3,702 4,628 5,553 6,479 7,404 8,330 9,255
210 94.8 2,844 3,792 4,740 5,688 6,637 7,585 8,533 9,481
215 97.1 2,912 3,883 4,853 5,824 6,795 7,765 8,736 9,707
220 99.3 2,980 3,973 4,966 5,959 6,953 7,946 8,939 9,932
225 101.6 3,047 4,063 5,079 6,095 7,111 8,126 9,142 10,158
230 103.8 3,115 4,153 5,192 6,230 7,269 8,307 9,345 10,384
235 106.1 3,183 4,244 5,305 6,366 7,427 8,488 9,549 10,609
240 108.4 3,251 4,334 5,418 6,501 7,585 8,668 9,752 10,835
245 110.6 3,318 4,424 5,530 6,637 7,743 8,849 9,955 11,061
250 112.9 3,386 4,515 5,643 6,772 7,901 9,029 10,158 11,287
255 115.1 3,454 4,605 5,756 6,907 8,059 9,210 10,361 11,512
260 117.4 3,521 4,695 5,869 7,043 8,217 9,391 10,564 11,738
265 119.6 3,589 4,786 5,982 7,178 8,375 9,571 10,767 11,964
270 121.9 3,657 4,876 6,095 7,314 8,533 9,752 10,971 12,190
275 124.2 3,725 4,966 6,208 7,449 8,691 9,932 11,174 12,415
280 126.4 3,792 5,056 6,321 7,585 8,849 10,113 11,377 12,641
285 128.7 3,860 5,147 6,433 7,720 9,007 10,293 11,580 12,867
290 130.9 3,928 5,237 6,546 7,856 9,165 10,474 11,783 13,093
295 133.2 3,995 5,327 6,659 7,991 9,323 10,655 11,986 13,318
300 135.4 4,063 5,418 6,772 8,126 9,481 10,835 12,190 13,544
Re: Testimony - Its the Dosage Stupid!
Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:27 am
by ofonorow
Cool, thank you. This is the Fred Klenner range, however based on your recent experience, which column do you believe represents the minimum therapeutic dosage based entirely on body weight (and no other factors). Maybe we should bold that column?
This is an interesting way of thinking about vitamin C supplementation, especially for health professionals. But somewhat complex. Perhaps we may still be able to reduce the seemingly complicated table by looking at it another way, e.g.
2000 mg Weight A thru B
2500 mg Weight B thru C
3000 mg Weight C thru D, etc.
Re: Testimony - Its the Dosage Stupid!
Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:20 am
by Johnwen
Re: Testimony - Its the Dosage Stupid!
Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:56 am
by ofonorow
Thank you for the work. Is the Klenner range for oral intake? (Pauling estimated that 50% is lost via oral route)
Re: Testimony - Its the Dosage Stupid!
Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 4:16 pm
by Johnwen
Sorry I took so long responding had to prepare a paper for my daughter. She's an RN
Here's a link that pretty much says the more you Take with each Dose the less you absorb. Ie More smaller doses are better then a few large doses. Good Reading
http://www.exrx.net/Nutrition/Antioxida ... aminC.html
Re: Testimony - Its the Dosage Stupid!
Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:37 am
by scottbushey
"More smaller doses are better then a few large doses."
Greetings. New to the board, new to Vitamin C therapy.
Having read this interesting thread, would the following be efficacious to my intake?
This am, I took 4 grams powder VC and put it in a new .5 liter bottle of H2O; my goal is to drink this over a 4 hr span. take an additional 2 grams in pill form at noon, then another 4 Gram solution.
Kind regards,
Scott
Re: Testimony - Its the Dosage Stupid!
Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 5:02 am
by ofonorow
Welcome. 6000 mg daily for a healthy person is a good amount. This amount (due to loss of 50% in 4 hours in water) is in theory between 4 and 5 grams daily. Have you calculated your "unsick" bowel tolerance ( http://www.orthomed.com/titrate.htm)? As we recently posted, 80% of the may require 10 g daily for best of health. The bowel tolerance "test" will help you determine your daily requirement.
Re: Testimony - Its the Dosage Stupid!
Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 5:05 am
by scottbushey
I don't quite understand how to calculate that. Can you help?
Re: Testimony - Its the Dosage Stupid!
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:08 pm
by Johnwen
Re: Testimony - Its the Dosage Stupid!
Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:56 pm
by Johnwen
Re: Testimony - Its the Dosage Stupid!
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:19 am
by ofonorow
I feel a little thick today and I am not following. Are you saying that you think the aged require more antioxidant protection? Probably true, but how would we quantify? What experiment could be run?
The beauty of your original epiphany is the recognition that body weight (to the extent it represents the number of cells) is important when deciding on vitamin C dosages. What is the extension, and is it worth the complication?
Re: Testimony - Its the Dosage Stupid!
Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:30 am
by Johnwen
Re: Testimony - Its the Dosage Stupid!
Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:06 am
by ofonorow
The question is what is the relation between age and vitamin C intake.